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rear wheel wobble? how to diagnosis and replace a bad lateral control arm

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
BMR note: See this new thread for the same content, but with the pics fixed.

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i noticed a problem when i was driving down the highway and the backend felt loose. i also noticed a clunking noise every so often when driving and braking.

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but its noticable when the rear wheels are off the ground and a wheel is grabbed at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions has some movement. i ordered a replacement part (there are 4 different lateral control arms - 2 fixed length front and 2 adjustable rear) from rockauto.com (adjustable right rear was $70 with shipping). its really not challenging to replace as its held in place by 2 nuts, but i just wanted to take some photos in case anyone was wondering.


view from behind the car looking up.
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after chiseling some rust off and dousing with PB blaster (nuts are either 19mm or 3/4" (mine were so rusty, after hammering each on i couldnt tell which was a better fit)). i had to use 2 24" breaker bars to break the nuts loose from the bolts. the nut holding the left side arm had to be removed in order to move the brace out of the way to remove the right arm.
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pic of lateral arm removed
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pic of the old next to the new. i used a transfer punch to line up the busings to adjust the new arm to the correct length.
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when installing, the arm isnt perfectly straight but rather slightly offset. i tried taking a photo holding the camera perpendicular to the bushings to show the offset of the two ends. the arm can be installed backwards if not paying attention (i did this, it can fit just not fit well).
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finally the photo of the new arm installed. its always recommended to get an alignment after any suspension work, but im cheap and wont unless i notice issues driving or increased tire wear.
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hope this helps!

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this part is how to replace the forward rear lateral control arm. with the inner and outer nuts removed, the bolts also have to be removed. there are several ways to remove the inner since they were factor installed before the fuel tank was in place. you can A.) drop the exhaust and fuel tank B.) drop the exhaust and rear sub-frame or C.) cut the old bolts out and replace them. since i live in the rust belt i figured i would either snap the bolts for the tank or sub-frame i opted for option C of cutting the old bolts and replaced them with bolts i bought from a local salvage yard. i also then inserted them backwards so they could slide back in place.

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i did transfer the cup-thingie on the bolt head end on the bolt to the nut end. i think it is there just in case of sever rear-end collisions to lesson the likelihood of piercing the fuel tank.

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at least for me, the true challenge was removing the outter bolts going through the rear knuckle (is is called the knuckle?)

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since i had those extra bolts and matching nuts from the junk yard to replace the inner bolts, it was okay if i partially mangled a nut. after soaking the bolt shaft and ends in PB blaster i used a 24" breaker bar on the bolt head. the bolt didnt even budge. i left the rear control arm in place to help guide the bolt, i loosened the nut until there was only about 3/16" of the bolt sticking out past the nut. i started off using a 4lb mallet to hit the bolt through. after an hour with that and zero progress, i switched to my 8lb sledge. i stopped every so often in attempt to spin the bolt with the breaker bar while yelling profanities. after about another hour it finally started to break loose.

because the end of the bolt that was sticking out 3/16" was beaten severely, it was now flattened and preventing the nut from coming off. i spun the somewhat-mangled nut further only the bolt (a couple of my swings werent exactly on target and the nut protected the threads) i used a grinder to re-taper the end of the bolt. now that the bolt was sliding out, the arm that connects forward was in the way of the bolt sliding out, so i unbolted the knuckle from the rear strut and tilted it around to give me the room i needed. an end of the arm could be removed instead, but mine were pretty rusty and after a feeble attempt, seemed fused in place.

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after spending about 5 hours getting the old front arms off, it took about 15 minutes to reassemble everything. just like the rear lateral arms, the non-adjustable fronts have to be installed in a certain orientation with the 'skinnier' bushings on the wheel side and at the proper angle or else the bushings will really be flexed just installing.
 
#9 ·
:lol: Ken, when are you going to add the DIY's to the Actual list??? :lol:


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Nice DIY Ghettosled :)

Its pretty easy once you get in there. The other bar is a pain to remove though if you replace both :disappoin

That's why I flipped the bolts around and put Rubber Stops at the end.. so it wont puncture the fuel tank :thumbsup:
 
#4 ·
Nice post! This'll be a nice DIY to refer people to, as this prob seems to come up fairly often. I did this on my Camry a while ago, and set the new arm's length to match the old in a way similar to what you did. I used a steel ruler to measure the old and set the new one to the same length. I figure that would get it close enough to drive to the alignment shop without tearing the heck out of my new-ish tires. When they checked the alignment, the toe was out of spec, but just barely. So I'd say chances are good you got it pretty close.
 
#5 ·
I'm planning this along with suspension this spring. Do you mind telling me the price of those arms?(L&R) Thanks!!:D
 
#10 ·
Did just replacing the rear adjustable one solve your problem? I have the same symptoms on one of my rear wheels (play when gripped at 3 and 9 o'clock) but it is also wearing heavily on the outside edge of the tire - could both these symptoms be caused by the rear lateral control arm? Also, there is heavy clunking/rattling back there when I go over bumps, even slowly.
 
#11 ·
yes, replacing just the rear solved my problem. the wheel is solid in place now. though im waiting for the others to start failing at some point. check to make sure it is in fact the rear and not the front that has the bad bushing. bad lateral control arms can cause uneven tire wear because the alignment is off.

the clunking/rattling can be from really bad bushings, but its more likely from another source like sway bar, end links or strut mounts.

go under your car (while supported on jackstands) and use a pry bar to flex the various bushings to see which are bad.
 
#12 ·
A question for ghettosled. I'm trying to replace one of the lateral control arms and I'm running into the same problem you described with the rusted bolts at the center. I was going to try using 2 big breaker bars like you did, but I can't find the room to get the socket on the bolt head because the gas tank is in the way. Did you use some kind of very short socket? Thanks
 
#13 ·
Thanks! I have a '96 Camry and I just had someonepush the rear up and down and discovered which link it was by the vibration. Turned out it was the left front link with no adjustment nut. Is it as easy to change and should alignment be done?
Thanks!
jbtrrn04
 
#14 ·
Unfortunately, the rear suspension front control arms aren't as easy to change as the rear control arms. The long bolt that holds the end of the arm near the center of the car has to be completely removed to get the front control arms out. To get the bolt out, which slides forward, not back, you either have to remove the gas tank or drop the rear suspension mount. I'm not sure what the official name of that part is.
 
#16 ·
please excuse my ignorance but I have a question in regards to this repair. I have the same issue in my 94 es300, however I know for a fact it is the "front" lateral arm on the right side that is bad. Now I am wondering whether this one can in fact be replaced without removing the subframe or gas tank?

Is this what the DIY shows? how he was able to remove the rear lateral arm and by doing so was able to access the front one as well?

Please clarify since I want to do this repair as well..
Thanks
 
#17 · (Edited)
yes, i did indeed replace that control arm without dropping the fuel tank or rear sub frame. in doing so, the bolt that holds the inner part of the lateral arm needs to be cut off and replaced. a new (or in my case used from a local salvage yard) bolt is then inserted from the back-side going forwards.
 
#18 ·
ghettosled - Are you getting any creaking noises out of your new arms? If not,what brand of control arms did you get from Rockauto? They offer Raybestos and Beck/Arnley for my Camry. I'm thinking of replacing the other 3 arms (I did the left rear-most a while back) to try to fix a rubbery creak/groan it makes, especially when the temperature is low. And I've read that some of the aftermarket stuff is noisy that way. Especially urethane bushings.
 
#19 ·
maybe one of you guys can chime in and help me out..so I have been in this predicament for the past few months. I have fixed most things on my es300 but as I mentioned before this is one of the repairs left to do.

Now my mechanic who works for toyota has all the necessary tools at his house (including a hoist) to complete this job. However he does not have torches available to him at his house. He is a bit skeptical to do this repair and tie up his hoist for a few days if this doesn't work..what I am wondering is whether the torches are absolutely necessary?

It seems the OP here was able to replace all the arms I would need to replace without dropping the tank or subframe and nowhere does it mention that he used torches..

To the OP..did you use torches or just PB blaster and hammering away at it for a few hours before it broke loose?

Thanks guys.
 
#20 ·
hey, how did you get the breaker bar between the bolt head and the gas tank (the two bolts at the top on the inside) ? the whole bolt turns when i turn the nut (the one on the left side). the nut on the right side wont even turn despite pb blaster for a week.

also how long did you have to hammer out the bolts (the two on the outside on the hub) ? ive been hammering them like crazy and they wont come out (i got the nut is off tho).
 
#22 ·
I'm going to be doing both rear (adjustable) ones later this week. I haven't jacked the car up and tried wiggling the wheel, but even with it on the ground, I can grab the link and move it (play is in the bushings)... So I'm going to go ahead and assume they are bad. Especially since the non-adjustable ones have no noticeable movement.

Lucky for me, the car has been in the south it's entire life, and looks nothing like some of the northern pictures I've seen. Everything I've dealt with so far has come loose. Even the various exhaust system flange bolts that I had loose when I pulled the trans out.
 
#24 ·
If (when) I have to do the front, non-adjustable ones... I'll be finding new bolts and cutting the old ones out like the OP. Not because of rust or anything, just because I'm not dropping the tank and yada yada.
 
#25 ·
sorry i havent checked in on this for a little while - to answer some questions:

BMR - i dont have any creaking noise. actually other noises that i thought were the rear struts went away when i replaced all of the arms. the original adjustable i replaced was a beck/arney part. when i replaced the other 3 (not even a year later) the rubber around the beck/arney part was actually in bad shape so i replaced it as well with the new one i received in the set of 4. the set i ordered on ebay though a vendor up in canada. the box that they arrived in said something like "toyota parts" and i dont think i noticed a brand.

dorifuto.boi - i used a breaker bar on the nut side and a bar used to remove serpentine belts (very skinny with a nub for a 3/8" socket) on the other (http://www.harborfreight.com/serpentine-belt-tool-kit-66344.html).

b2p1986 - i didnt use torches, but i did use a propane (plumbing torch) out of frustration but i dont think it was hot enough to do anything. i just kept it doused with PB blaster and coaxing with an 8 pound sledge while trying to spin the bolt using a wrench.

that bolt by the wheel literally took several hours of whacking with a sledge and twisting with a breaker bar on the head to break the rust bond. i even tried a hammer and chisel where the front lateral arm meets the rear knuckle in attempts to drive a wedge in there.

sorry if i cant offer any more incite, but that bolt was a pain and you just need to be persistent. having an extra nut screwed on the end to protect the threads and offering a larger hitting surface really facilitated in getting stronger hits on the bolt.
 
#26 ·
I just went through this with my 92 Camry. In order to get the bolts off that hold the suspension bars to the wheel, we used an impact wrench, a nice one capable of handling I believe 150lbs input air pressure; although my air compressor would only go to 115lbs. Luckily I have an ox-acetylene torch that we used rather surgically, mostly on the areas just behind the suspension rods on the wheel assembly (sorry, wish I knew the official names for this stuff). The combination of the two loosened both bolts on both sides up. To be sure, the torch makes all the difference in the world, especially on rusted parts. Finally I've got good friends that are smarter than me and I got lucky. If you don't have a ox-acetylene torch, try MAPP gas because it burns much hotter than propane and try Kroil. I hear it is much better than PB Blaster.
 
#27 · (Edited by Moderator)
When I replaced my rear rear arms, I had the problem with the stuck bolts that I couldn't break loose for anything. I ended up cutting off the nuts using a Harbor Freight 3" air powered cut off tool and it worked great. I tried heating and PB blaster, a nut splitter and my impact wrench and it wouldn't budge. You could use the same tool to cut off the head off the bolt completely if you needed to. This thing cut through the metal pretty fast. Here are links to two options for tools that might work. The first one listed (and the cheapest) is the one I used: http://www.harborfreight.com/3-inch-high-speed-air-cutter-47077.html , http://www.harborfreight.com/3-extended-reach-air-cutoff-tool-67996.html

I took some pictures that might help, but I've never had any luck posting pictures. I'll try again

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daw22 - I took the liberty of adding pic links so they show directly. Hope you don't mind.