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4th Generation Old OEM sway bar end links vs new Deeza links

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Today I replaced gen4 5s-fe's front sway bar end links.

Reason was simple, passenger side link had a wide open crack in bottom boot.
Besides that both links were experiencing side to side movement easily with no resistance (which I was told is not a problem).

anyways, this how they behaved before (plus the crack on one boot which is not pictured, note it's a V6 model shown in video, same parts though):

This is how you are supposed to remove the old OEM links (use lots of PB Blaster on outer nuts and inner hex key stud), this one is off the car already, but it should give you the idea how to do this on car:



If you do not lock the inner 5mm hex key stud against something (e.g. strut tower or LCA) then you won't be able to remove the outer 14mm nut (they spin together, they are literally locked when tight).

this is how old OEM links and new Deeza links look like when compared side by side (passenger side shown):


As you see Deeza's are bigger, so there might be a slight clearance issue upon installation with the brake line bracket (one joining steel line and rubber line together, part of chassis behind the strut tower), but remember that new end link's studs can be moved, they are just MUCH harder to move than the old ones (easy to move with one finger).

Pic of how tight the clearance is (passenger side):


it takes a bit of tinkering to insert it right, but it's easily doable once you know what you are doing.

somehow the driver side was very easy to do, while passenger side was a problem, took me 15 minutes to figure out how exactly to insert it so everything ends up on the right side of things

This is a movie showing a supposedly good (uncracked boots) sway bar end link (original OEM) on driver side, note how easy the studs are to move, and note how cracked the boots in fact are by the stud:

Now the Deeza end links are different (bigger size for starters), in fact they do not have the inner 5mm hex key stud (which is good as it was a pain when rust was coming into play), but instead there is a support nut (17mm) on the other side by the boot, use it to hold the stud still while torquing down on the nut.

Deeza's use 15mm nuts (vs OEM 14mm nut), 29ft-lbs (same as OEM 14mm nuts).
I used a flare nut wrench on bottom one as I don't have such size of metric combo wrench (socket and 3/8'' ratchet does NOT fit down there), the upper one is easy to do with a torque wrench and a 3/8'' socket with extension easily (still the 17mm open end support wrench is needed, very easy to do).

these are pics of new sway end links (Deeza) installed on car:

a) passenger side


b) driver side


No more side to side movement on boots!

what I did in the first movie (twisting the end links when it was installed on car) with old links is impossible to do with replacement links (they are stiff).

Now the best thing, price

Deeza sway bar end links are $22 each on amazon (free shipping over $25, e.g. if you order 2 at same time).
OEM sway bar end links are $72.90 each from online dealer ($97 MSRP).
Moog end links (greasable with zerk fittings) are at $56.79 each from rockauto.com



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hoping this review helps someone making decision on replacement end links

forgot to mention the Deeza part numbers for both sides, here they are:

a) FR (passenger side)
Deeza LE-L605

b) FL (driver side)
Deeza LE-L603

c) RR & RL (rear links)
Deeza LE-L601 (not in review).

they are same for 2.2L and 3.0L models.

Also after taking wife's car for a test drive, it feels different, better steering when cornering, also no more clunks when going over road bumps/holes.

I think I will be getting same links for V6 front. Not too sure about rears yet, but those probably will need replacement sooner or later too, all of them were very easy to twist side to side ...

also when replacing them, it helps to unbolt the brake line from the strut tower (12mm nut), you will get more working space for wrenches.
and the last thing but not least. when removing OEM links, you need to know how to daisy chain the combo wrenches, as you need to use a box end 14mm wrench on the nut and 5mm hexy key at same time on the stud. to get the leverage, cascade another combo wrench over the first one.

and lastly, MIND YOUR PERSPECTIVE when unbolting the bottom nut from the end link on car
... lefty loosey, righty tighty ... but you will be looking at it from behind ...


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hmmm.... I can see them all ... can't you see any of them? they are on photobucket. let me know, I can re-upload to imageshack.us if needed.


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my bad, they are working now!

gj on the DIY.
I see that they have similar design as the MOOG ones...which are much beefier.
no more annoying squeeks from the sway bar links
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OK, gotcha

and thanks

also a side note. Moog sometimes reboxes Deeza products. that is true for the outer tie rod ends, however on different vehicle (some google search revealed this fact), so I would say Deeza is as good as Moog is


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They look good, I will get them when mine go bad.

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can you be more specific about what exactly looks good?

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They look good, I will get them when mine go bad.


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The rubber boots look strong, and since there is another "layer" I'm guessing they will not be prone to ripping.

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well, not sure what you are referring to, but mine old ones were busted on both sides. one side cracked wide open (not in video), the other, driver side busted by stud (wide open at certain angles), rubber got separated.

bottom line is both side studs were same easy to move around, meaning they were useless...

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I am talking about the new Deezas, "look good" as in well built lol.

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lol, understood this time now

sorry was tired, should not have been reading this forum late at night

I will be definitely buying them again for V6 when the time comes ... no rush with replacement though hehe...

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Nice find, I'm in the market to replace rear sway bar bushings and these links. Any fitting issues using a larger size (15mm vs 14mm)?

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nope, no issues. I think the nut has a bigger head, but the thread and size of stud is same as OEM. they fit perfectly fine into the holes.

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Nice find, I'm in the market to replace rear sway bar bushings and these links. Any fitting issues using a larger size (15mm vs 14mm)?


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lol, understood this time now

sorry was tired, should have been reading this forum late at night

I will be definitely buying them again for V6 when the time comes ... no rush with replacement though hehe...
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I did the front struts on my mom's quest and the links looked similar to the Deezas, I will get them when the originals go bad on it. So much bs to get to the mount hardware, wiper cowl, arms, motor, cover plate etc etc. Makes me appreciate the ease of working on my car.

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