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Old 07-31-2011, 12:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tuner Nuts and Spline Question

Hi all!
Okay, first thing first, I am a pretty ignorant female when it comes to wheels. Just throwing that out there! Surprising enough, I however am not as ignorant as the wheel and tire shops in my area!
So I bought these wheels
http://asp.americanracing.com/wheels...heel&section=A
from a local dealer. My issue is that I am now needing to get my wheels off. When I first bought them, they did the installation for me but did not give me a spline drive adapter for the nuts that the wheels came with. Yes I know..., why didn't I think of that at the time, pssh, I was too eager to get these new babies on the road! They now are calling them wheel locks, and telling me they can not get them off.... !@#$@! I have no idea what these people are thinking, but I can not find any shop around here that carries the spline drive I need.... or knows what I am even talking about.... Ridiculous. Seriously this place is an authorized dealer for AR, and told me my best bet was to have the "locks" cut off at around $100 a wheel. Why would any one removing a lock even do that, just slam a dang socket on there lol....
Ne who, I have no idea what brand these nuts are, or what the hex size would be, but they came with the wheels. If this helps the wheel specs are: 17x7.5 5/115 GM FWD +45mm 6"
That's where my ignorance stops me The nuts are six splined. So my question is, a Gorilla spline would work right, but what hex size?
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Got a picture of the locks?
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Yea, sure!
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that pic is super blurry, but from what i see they look like this:


If that's the case, just buy the socket piece. Can be found online I'm sure, if not, buy a whole set of the same lugs with the lock socket.
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that pic is super blurry, but from what i see they look like this:


If that's the case, just buy the socket piece. Can be found online I'm sure, if not, buy a whole set of the same lugs with the lock socket.
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I have seen those same lug nuts at wal-mart, in a set, with the socket. Though it has been a year or so ago since I seen them, and I have not looked at that section since, but try looking there. As Chris Cash said, might have to buy the whole set though. Would be way cheaper than having them cut off.
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Thanks for the replies! Yea, cutting them off is not an option(and honestly the dumbest way to remove any nut) as my wheels have to have tuner lugs. Regs are too big, its a shame none of the shops around here have a set of standard spline drives, i think standard is 5, 6, and 7 spline. But the hex sizes vary a bit. Easiest and cheapest bet is to try one of these
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They have crap reviews lol, I'm really hoping I get the right hex size, it fits in that horribly tiny space i have to work with, and does not break!
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My biggest question is.How could they put the wheels on if the don't have the socket? I never heard of putting 5 lock lugs on each wheel. What if there was a warranty issue with the wheels? Would they tell you "sorry but we can't take off the wheels we put on to replace them?" I say you start hounding the actuall owner if the shop not the flunkies behind the counter.
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4th Generation

Ditto on that. For some reason, I had one lock nut on each of my 4 Toyota Sienna wheels. I would think there is not much demand for those. First thing I did was buy 4 regular lug nuts and throw those in the trash. I will take my chances to see if someone wants to steal a 9 year old Sienna wheel!

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Wow... like $140 a wheel. They won't be able to cut them off... maybe drill them out if anything. You could try one of those universal sockets or an easy out socket too.

I bet wheel thieves have these....
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You can always get a bolt extractor set.

They come in many sizes and flavors. I'm not sure if you mentioned the diameter of the lug nuts, so make sure that the largest size in one of these sets will fit your lug nuts. They are easy to use, and work most every time. See if you can locate a 1/2" drive. The ones below are all 3/8" drive and might be a little wimpy to remove lug nuts.

http://www.harborfreight.com/9-piece...ets-67894.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/Irwin-394001-Bolt-Grip-Bolt-Extractor-5pc-Base-Set-/110722045998?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c78c 582e


http://cgi.ebay.com/6pc-BOLT-EXTRACTOR-SET-New-ez-outs-remover-/140583728747?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20bb71 766b


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One way to do this is, get yourself a solid copper pipe (may not be easy) and hammer that into the end of the lug nut. The soft copper will conform to the shape. Grind the end of the copper pipe square to fit a ratchet, and try turning the lug. I did this once before on an expensive set of wheels that a person had lost the key to. I went through 2 pipes as the copper stripped on one of the nuts so I had to make another one.

It depends on how tight the lugs are, some places love to take the air wrench and way over torque, so the copper pipe jobber tool will not work. If it doesn't, then you can have a mold made from your copper sample, many schools have foundries in their metal shops so you might be able to get it done for free. BTW, if you are going to go through the trouble of making a mold, a piece of lead will work even better to get the imprint.

edit- I read these posts more carefully, the style of nut would mean you might have to drill a hole in the copper pipe a bit smaller than the outer spline, and hammer that on. It's definitely doable for a person would some skills. Beats trying to brute force them off and risk making it nearly impossible to remove.
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yay! i went all bitchy on them and.... ooh, they ordered me a new one for $12! can't believe they gave me the run around at first and referred me to get them cut off, people are cruel and lazy.
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yay! i went all bitchy on them and.... ooh, they ordered me a new one for $12! can't believe they gave me the run around at first and referred me to get them cut off, people are cruel and lazy.

Glad you got them to pay attention.

But you might be on to something if you think about it. How about offering your services on an hourly basis.

The marketing might go something like this.....
"Having problems with your mechanic?"
"Getting the run around at your dealer?"
"Think you are gettin ripped off?"

Give me a call.
I'll bitch, moan, complain, whine, and cry until they give in.
Only $30.00/hour.
Send eMail to michelle@rent-a-bitch.com

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lmao, fabulous idea. might make a pretty decent living off that! i have had a good share of dealing with them since i started working on this car, but do not think i could put up with bitching at idiots for a living though.
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