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Old 09-06-2011, 12:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3rd Generation Relocate cruise control on 5SFE and install a Braille battery!

Made some major progress this weekend with the installation of a 11.5 lb Braille battery. Took me about 7-8 hours total to get everything adapted - had to backtrack a couple of times but it's all kosher now. The main advantage to using a Braille battery is weight reduction - plain and simple. My stock 5+ year old battery was doing fine but I need something more reliable since batteries are known in my case to suddenly fail at the worst times. It weighs 39 lbs!!! The Braille battery I bought shaves almost 30 lbs dead weight from the front of the vehicle not to mention the mounting brackets and old lead terminals and shortened wires should add another 8-9 lbs to the savings...It is rated at 495 CA at 72*F and 375 CA at 32*F - which is more than enough for me - plus, having a manual shift works out in the worst case (push start)

Here is the BEFORE picture: Nothing special...BTW the nylon fasteners are holding up very well and none have vibrated loose!


The main reason I decided to relocate the cruise control was to eliminate the support brackets which hold the cruise assembly and battery to the frame. Also, the future custom CAI will run up to behind the driver's side headlight with an enclosure - relocating all of this should make it easier to install the CAI and take advantage of the coolest air possible - not from the wheelwell, but behind the lights and shielded from the A/C drier and radiator/condensor assembly as well. A good CAI should be "uphill" all the way to prevent water intake in my opinion

OK - on to the meat and potatoes of the project: First thing is to remove the plastic cover and then remove the three mounting nuts that hold it onto the bracket - IIRC they are 10mm




Then you want to disconnect both throttle cables and the electrical from the front side of the assembly. You will want to remove the small bracket held with 2 10mm bolts that secures the electrical plug - throw away the bracket - you need this disconnected to extend the wiring to its new location



While it's apart you may want to shim the washers and such that hold the throttle cable brackets onto the cruise assembly - mine had such sloppy movement that I added a washer that was twice as thick as the stocker, fixed it pretty well.



At this point the cruise control assembly should be free from the vehicle. I relocated mine to just above the rear of the transmission. There are two mounting holes present which align almost perfectly with the holes on the bottom of the cruise control - just by chance I guess! I made a 1" diameter by 2.75" length aluminum spacer and bought a M10 X 80mm (1.25 thread pitch!!!) steel bolt from the hardware store. This allows you to mount the cruise assembly lower and about 6" back from its original location and use an existing unused hole in the transmission. You will have to remove the lifting bracket from the transmission though - keep it in case you do a swap in the future. The other point of contact is to use a simple bolt-and-nut to a bracket on the fuel filter. Granted, this will make changing the fuel filter a bigger PITA, but this was the route I took - you may find another mounting location...See the next pics:


Snug the longer bolt and spacer first before finding a secondary point of attachment



Once you have your points of attachments mapped out, you can disconnect the main wiring harness from the body of the vehicle. You only need to disconnect about 3 or 4 keepers around the battery/ignition coil area to make it work. I had to slightly reroute mine to accomodate the cruise control relocation. Not much to it - just pull the keepers from the holes and run everything OVER the cruise assembly -again, no big deal here. Toyota gave us a little extra to play with and that REALLY helps with this job!



At this point you have hopefully relocated your cruise control assembly! Now comes the part which took me the longest to get right - shortening the throttle calbes! My first approach since I had them both removed was to pay a visit to the local Pull-A-Part and try to find some shorter cables. After a long search I found a cable from a RWD 1993 V8 Lexus which bolts directly to my firewall. This cable was about 2-3" shorter than mime:



It wasn't in perfect shape, but for $6.35 what the hell right! Turns out that it wasn't SHORT ENOUGH, so I had to come up with something different. The BIGGEST PROBLEM will be the pedal-to-cruise cable, not the cruise assembly to throttle body cable. The latter will work without any modification and can be somewhat adjusted out on the slack nuts...

OK - To shorten a throttle cable you need to first measure and cut it to desired length. I needed about 5.5" total removed for my application. The steel used for throttle cables is VERY TOUGH, so cut it with a cut-off wheel. You will get a frayed end most of the time - no problem - you will need this for the stop attachment later.



Save the zinc stop! This will be recycled! Next step is to cut the throttle cable body to length. Use a cut-off wheel again since this alloy is very hard to cut as well



Reassemble the throttle cable into the throttle cable body once they are both cut. You may find it somewhat difficult since the cable's ends are a little frayed - try to twist them into the cable body. Try to keep the teflon liner inside the cable body intact - sometimes it likes to come out if you're trying to push cable through. Only thing left now is to make a new cable stop - easy, right?

You'll need a crucible or some kind of small metal cup for the next step. If you have inadvertently thrown away the cable stop, find about 5 or 6 pennies minted after 1983. Melt them with a blowtorch and press on the metal with a blunt object to extract the pure zinc away from the copper skin. Zinc is fairly strong and has a low melting point, so it's perfect for this application! I used a brake caliper piston to get the zinc away from the copper.


That is a 5SFE piston by the way!

The trick is to encase the end of the frayed cable into the molten zinc. You may want an extra set of hands for this...IMPORTANT: Be sure your mold or cup is free of water or oil before pouring molten metal into it! Exploding molten zinc that lands in your hair is painful...And I do speak from experience! A good way to do this is to heat up the mold and the cable end with a blowtorch for a few seconds to drive off any moisture.
Once the metal is molten, have the assistant hold the cable end steady inside the mold while the metal is being poured. Tap the mold while it's still liquid to ensure the zinc gets between all the filaments of the cable.

DON'T USE A SOCKET FOR THE MOLD...It will take too long to get out as I found out the hard way!



Immerse this in water once it has frozen. All that's left is to grind the zinc to fit the hole.



You can see how the cable got twisted while I tried to drill out the casting from the socket - that's why I had to do this a second time

When you have it ground down to size you should see the darker steel contrasted to the lighter zinc on one side of your cable stop. It is virtually impossible to pull the cable away from the zinc without melting it or breaking the cable. This is why the frayed end is desired...



I know it's not that pretty but it fits and will hold 2-3X better than stock!
Now you are ready to reassemble everything - if you measured right any shortness or excess can be adjusted out with the slack nuts.

Once it's all together have an assistant press and let off of the gas pedal while viewing the thottle body directly to ensure full range of motion. When you have full range of motion without slack - you are 85% there!

Next comes the Braille battery install. This can be mounted almost anywhere since it's about 1/4 the size of the stock battery. First thing I did was cut the steel support off of the frame. This is very easy and took about 2-3 minutes tops.



I placed mine directly below where this mount used to be for two reasons: Lower center of gravity and ease of adapting the battery cables. This will help a little with the car's handling while still being accessible should something go wrong. I marked where the bracket screws would go and then drilled the holes




Once the battery mounting tray has been positioned, it's time to wire it up and crank the vehicle!



The terminal covers look a little shoddy, but those are easily replaced. Note how the wiring harness routes OVER the cruise control. First noticed that the car steers a little better at a standstill (I have non-power assisted steering). Didn't really notice any difference in performance although I know that the car is 35 lbs lighter in the front. The brackets, extra wiring, and unused fasteners added up to 8 lbs while the difference in batteries was 27 lbs

Next comes a CAI which will take advantage of this new mod!
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Old 09-06-2011, 01:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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very cool , how much did that whole setup run you?

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All that just to save 30lbs. Please keep us posted as to the performance of this battery under real life conditions (stereo, AC, defogger etc.). Personally I wouldn't trust what basically amounts to a lawn tractor battery to keep my car powered.
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All that just to save 30lbs. Please keep us posted as to the performance of this battery under real life conditions (stereo, AC, defogger etc.). Personally I wouldn't trust what basically amounts to a lawn tractor battery to keep my car powered.
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All that just to save 30lbs. Please keep us posted as to the performance of this battery under real life conditions (stereo, AC, defogger etc.). Personally I wouldn't trust what basically amounts to a lawn tractor battery to keep my car powered.
Uhhh...that's what the alternator is for?
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You shouldn't have gotten a Braille. Those have been known to have parasitic drain issues.
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Does it crank well ?..........Don't know anything about a braille battery.......Is it a long life battery ?.......Those boys in Dixie come up w some crraa...stuff !
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Does it crank well ?..........Don't know anything about a braille battery.......Is it a long life battery ?.......Those boys in Dixie come up w some crraa...stuff !
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Jim - I'll have to stop by your dealership sometime and I'll show you what it looks like. Not the best install in the world but I had slightly limited time since it rained Sunday.

The battery ran $155 shipped. New terminals were $6 from OReillys. The aluminum spacer could be found for around $5 at the right hardware store and the M10 X 80mm bolt was $3.50. Turns out I could have shortened my stock throttle cables for next to no cost, but I bought a spare one of each just in case. The battery mounting bracket was pricey at $76 - could have made that in my basement but oh well...Total cost is $246 plus or minus $10. Not the cheapest mod by any means but this is where I'm at with the car - more weight reduction is going to get more expensive the lighter I want to go (but I really enjoy it!)

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I tried all those accessories while the car was running and it does noticeably drop the RPMs moreso when first triggered, but the alternator takes over in about half a second. I'm still going to make a larger (slower rotation) alternator pulley at some point to compliment the A/C pulley whenever I get that one made. If I can figure out how to attach a vibration dampener to an aftermarket pulley I would make a custom 7075 aluminum set for Gen 3 and Gen 4 Camrys. Could modify it a bit and make a set for 5SFE powered MR2s as well - the possibilities are nearly endless

UPDATE:

I drove the car to Jackson, TN and back today for a total of 165 miles round-trip. The trip to and from there was done in rush-hour traffic for about 4-5 miles both ways and the remainder was cruising 70-75MPH on the interstate. It was a bit windy today; I had maybe 20-25MPH sidewinds which seemed to buffet the car maybe a little more than normal, so I took out 3-4lbs of air out of the tires which seemed to help a wee bit.

It's kind of hard to say about performance since it's been in the car about 24 hours now and the temperature has been almost ideal at 55-70*F during both trips. We all know that the lighter the car, the more affected it is by wind, but 35 lbs off of 2775 lbs is hard to calculate or even feel in the real world.

On another note, I don't believe I'm getting full throttle travel when pushing down the pedal. The cruise works great, but if I had to guess I'm getting maybe 2/3 throttle max (hey, might keep me out of trouble, eh?) Just something else to look at Friday night...

So it's not quite there yet but it did well today in terms of reliability. The real test will be on one of those 10*F mornings - if it cranks under those conditions, then there's nothing to worry about
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The real test will be on one of those 10*F mornings - if it cranks under those conditions, then there's nothing to worry about
Yeah, IF it cranks lol
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Don't understand the criticisms, I found the mod you did fascinating and interesting!
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Don't understand the criticisms, I found the mod you did fascinating and interesting!
I find it fascinating too. I don't plan on doing it, but I love looking at that extra open access to the starter and transmission.

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Don't understand the criticisms, I found the mod you did fascinating and interesting!

Me too.

I hate to admit it, but I had never heard of a Braille Battery and was very interested in learning more about it.

for posting the DIY and enlightening us knuckle draggers.

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