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Old 09-10-2011, 02:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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4th Generation SOLVED. S/C'ed Camry Stalling & Other Problems

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If you have a TRD supercharger on your 1MZ-FE you should probably read through this.

My car has been experiencing four pronounced problems and I think I found the culprit. Important things to know about my car is that my Camry is a 2000 v6 Supercharged, 5-speed manual, and methanol injected about 6" before the throttle body.

Problem 1: Poor Idle / Stalling
For roughly year or more now, my car has been occasionally idling poorly and sometimes stalling after coming off the highway and to a stop (especially after hard boosting). I had removed and cleaned out the IAC last summer with TB cleaner and it improved slightly for a very short amount of time. This summer, I have been avoiding turning on my A/C because when I do the RPM's would drop to around 500 and the car felt horrible and even stalled once or twice.

Problem 2: Occasional Lean Condition at Idle
Sometimes, and often after engine breaking, my car will idle low, rough, and my Air Fuel Ratio (AFR) gauge reads lean, often above 18:1 (gauge cannot read higher than that). It will often stay like this for moments or minutes, until finally slowly readjusting to the correct 14.8:1 ratio. Usually, stepping on the throttle for a bit helps to return it to normal.

Problem 3: Boost Leak
As winter was ending, I noticed that my boost gauge was reading that I wasn't making full boost. I've got a 5.5PSI pulley, and I was only reading 4 - 4.5lbs peak boost, and it would gradually rise as I got to redline. It also was somewhat inconsistent, sometimes the leak was 1 PSI, sometimes only 0.5 PSI. I checked my boost gauge for leaks and such, couldn't find a solution.

Problem 4: Consistent stalling at idle.
This started occurring about a week ago. Every time upon coming to a stop after getting off the highway my car would immediately stall. If I was cruising on the highway and depressed the clutch pedal, the RPMs would drop right to 0 and the car would shut off. Sometimes it would hover around 100 or 200 before dying. The first time this happened, it stopped after half a day and worked for the rest of the evening until I got back on the highway and drove home. After that, it had been happening consistently once my car was warmed up. I would have to apply gas at stop signs to keep the car around 1k RPM.

Soluton 1, 3, & 4: Sticky/Rusted/Broken One-Way Check Valve on IAC
Since I have a supercharger, I had installed a plastic one-way check valve on the vacuum line running off of the Idle Air Control (IAC). The purpose of this is to prevent boost from leaking back through the IAC vacuum line and into the throttle body.

Upon dissasembling my intake to inspect and clean my IAC, I tested the check valve by blowing into it (and stupidly sucking air through it which resulted in copious amounts of rust on my tongue ). I also noticed that air was passing through both directions, and not very well either. This valve is the same sort as the one used in the break booster. Pictures of check valve at bottom

I replaced the check valve and hose with new vacuum hose w/o a check valve. But upon testing it, the car had not improved and was still stalling instantly at idle if I wasn't on the gas. Took me three days before I tried blowing through a hose into the bottom of the IAC to find out that the IAC was stuck as well. It is my belief that rust and debris from the broken/rusty IAC valve spring had gotten lodged into the IAC and was preventing it from moving. Since when I first blew into the IAC, I could feel it come loose.

Solution 2: Exhaust Leak?
My car still sometimes goes lean at idle, but I think it's because the gasket for my rear header to the y-pipe is leaking (I know it's leaking). It's my belief that after heavy boosting or engine breaking, it sucks in fresh air from outside, causing my rear O2 sensors (and my AFR gauge sensor) to read very lean, causing a rich condition which causes the car to idle poorly. This is just a theory. I'll be replacing the gasket soon. If anyone has any better idea (failing pump, O2 sensors, injectors) do tell!

Conclusion and Thoughts
Today I installed all new IAC vacuum hose and took it for a drive. The car is idling around 800 - 900 RPM when warm, and around 700 RPM with the A/C on. I've only driven the car for about 45 mins, but considering the problem would occur immediately after the car warmed up, it seems to have been fixed. The car's idle feels smooth and consistent.

It seems likely to me that the methanol which I inject directly before the throttle body probably rusted out the spring mechanism in the one way check valve, resulting in it becoming increasingly stuck over time. It probably was stuck half open, half closed, which is why I was both loosing boost, and at the same time not idling properly. Likely, over the past year the stopper inside the valve probably would move around and get stuck in different positions of open and closed, resulting in inconsistent symptoms. This would make sense why the symptoms would occur most after doing heavy boosting on the highway and coming to a stop. The boost pressure from the S/C probably would force the check valve to get stuck closed. Eventually, it either got stuck entirely closed, and/or debris from it got stuck in the IAC, causing a consistent and instant stall at idle.






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Lesson Learned

So, lesson to be learned here?

If you have a one-way check valve on your IAC to prevent boost leak and especially if you inject methanol into the throttle bod, you'll probably be looking to replace it eventually.

And if you don't have a one-way check valve, you're probably loosing boost.
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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glad you solved the problem. hope you solve your lean problem.
got a question for you. if your spray rusted that check valve, wouldn't it have also rusted your brake booster check valve ?

if your brake booster check valve didnt rust, then did you get the iac check valve from somewhere other than the dealership ? if so, then if you went and got an OEM check valve, then maybe it wouldn't rust as badly and you wouldn't have to replace it as often.

where does the tube from the IAC valve go to ? does it go to the lower intake manifold ?
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glad you solved the problem. hope you solve your lean problem.
got a question for you. if your spray rusted that check valve, wouldn't it have also rusted your brake booster check valve ?


No the methanol wouldn't also have rusted my brake booster check valve. The airflow direction is completely different. The engine is sucking air through the IAC check valve away from the intake, and thus methanol sometimes gets sucked through too. That's not the case with the brake booster. The air pressure is leaving the brake booster check valve towards the intake, thus the methanol is not getting sucked into it.

But since you mentioned it i'll check it anyways to be sure and if I find out differently I'll post about it.

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glad ya figured it out.
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It's too bad that methanol is a corrosive substance - I'm sure I will be up against the same problems when I do my water/meth setup later...

Aluminum is also susceptible to meth corrosion - may have to look into some kind of coating to remedy this problem.

Anyone else on here running water/meth or something similar? I'd like to compare notes...
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Well my car started stalling at idle again today. Took it home, tested the air hoses coming off the IAC, disconnected the short ram intake and sprayed a copious amount of TB cleaner in there, plus i topped off my Coolant overflow tank (it was empty) and also put more engine oil in (it was damn low).

Started up my car, didn't want to start at first prolly due to all the TB Cleaner. Then at first it was running rich (12.5:1 AFR) and was trying to stall maybe because of the TB cleaner again.

After revving it for a few moments it returned to normal AFR and normal idle and I sat there and let the engine warm up to see if it would cause more problems and it's back to idling like a charm again. I think there is still debris from the check valve stuck in the IAC (when blowing and sucking on the IAC vacuum hose to see if there was an obstruction I got more rust crud in my mouth, probably not healthy lol). I plan to remove the IAC soon and give it a good inspection and cleaning. And I might replace it with a spare IAC that Gabe (trd4life) sent me awhile back.

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wait a minute...I believe 12.5:1 is running rich, not lean.

http://blog.unleashedmoto.com/?p=3218

Also, are you tuned btw??
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wait a minute...I believe 12.5:1 is running rich, not lean.

http://blog.unleashedmoto.com/?p=3218

Also, are you tuned btw??
Oops, typo. Meant to write rich. Im street tuned with my SAFC, yes.
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hope you can get the problem fixed
replacing the IAC might help your problem. your problem might just be that the IAC valve isnt opening on idle causing you to stall.

unplug the wires from the iac and check the cold and hot resistance of the two outter pins with the middle pin on the iac. cold resistance should be 17-25 ohms and hot resistance should be 21.5 - 29.5 ohms
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hope you can get the problem fixed
replacing the IAC might help your problem. your problem might just be that the IAC valve isnt opening on idle causing you to stall.

unplug the wires from the iac and check the cold and hot resistance of the two outter pins with the middle pin on the iac. cold resistance should be 17-25 ohms and hot resistance should be 21.5 - 29.5 ohms
The resistance of the IAC I've been using measured 21.9 ohms on left pin and 21.9 ohms on right pin.

The resistance of the new IAC I am about to install measures 21.2 ohms on one side and 21.1 ohms on the other. (Not sure which side is left and which is right).
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Replaced my IAC today. Drove it around and pounded the car for about an hour. Used up a half gallon of methanol. So far so good! Idles between 650 - 700 when warm. Turning on the AC doesn't make the Idle drop low like before. Only drops about 20 RPM.

We'll see if it lasts!
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are you sure that your rear header is leaking? have you tried running seafoam through it to see if smoke will leak out?

also, what you are describing can't happen since there is positive pressure coming out of the header at all times, which means air can't be sucked in.

I would remove the o2 sensor and check its tolerance to the manual, and I would do both. Also, check your maf, as a wonky maf can also easily create the conditions that you are describing
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