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I am trying to get quotes on having my timing belt changed on my 98 Camry with 2.2 engine. It has 152,000 miles, and it is the original belt in the car. I want to have the water pump done at the same time. Can anyone tell me what this job should go for approximately, assuming there is no unforeseen problems?
I'd get the following parts changed out, the list was from parts on rockauto, but you can get OEM parts on eBay (aircabinman) or genuine Toyota parts from TN sponsors like ToyotaPartsMan. I think it's a total of $500-700 without doing the valve cover.
The book rate for the timing belt itself is 3 hours, but an experienced mechanic can do it in much less. So I'd say no more than 4 hours of labor + parts.
GATES K030295 Micro-V AT Power Steering Belt $5.14
GATES K050435 Micro-V AT Alt/AC Belt $14.10
FEL-PRO TCS45920 Crankshaft Front Seal Set $5.10
FEL-PRO TCS45641 Camshaft Front Seal $3.66
NATIONAL 221820 Polyacrylate Oil Pump Shaft Seal $2.86
GATES TCK199 (1 Belt, 1 Tensioner, 1 Idler) Timing Belt Component Kit
$52.89
STANT 48278 180° w/Jiggle Pin OE Type Thermostat $10.94
AISIN WPT010A Water pump w/o housing $30.79
FEL-PRO VS50304R1 Valve Cover Gasket Set w/Spark plug tube seals
$18.26
Subtotal $143.74
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The belt might book for 3 hours, just the belt, but usually water pumps and seals add .3-.7 per item, also remember, to properly do the cam seal it requires valve cover removal, which would be another .5 or so, since to properly do it the plugs must come out, why not put new ones back in. Will end up being 5-6 hours for a shop to do it right, best case is find someone good with toyotas like me, who would do it for $150 and a case of beer... it says you're in Florida, Florida is one damn fine place to be working outside... but just my two cents
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I dont recall exactly what mine cost but I always have all the seals on that side of the engine done since it is already opened up. I have had the oil pump seal fail and leak oil when it was forgotten one time. I use the Toyota water pump which is about $90. I start getting nervous when the belt hits 80,000 miles...
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I guess I have a pretty good quote then. $590.00 and he says he gives 12 month 12,000 warranty on the job. That's why he says he uses a timing belt kit and does the water pump. I will have to ask about the seals.
Thanks everyone.
P.S. He also says he only uses OEM parts.
Last edited by speedrider1; 01-22-2012 at 07:54 AM.
The belt might book for 3 hours, just the belt, but usually water pumps and seals add .3-.7 per item, also remember, to properly do the cam seal it requires valve cover removal, which would be another .5 or so, since to properly do it the plugs must come out, why not put new ones back in. Will end up being 5-6 hours for a shop to do it right, best case is find someone good with toyotas like me, who would do it for $150 and a case of beer... it says you're in Florida, Florida is one damn fine place to be working outside... but just my two cents
You don't need to remove the plugs to remove the valve cover only the wires. You also don't need to remove the valve cover to do the cam seal.
The problem with the timing belt job is to do it easily you need a lot of expensive special tools (seal remover, installer, cam pulley tool, air compressor, impact gun, and various sockets and wrenches. It becomes harder when you do not have these tools.
When I did a timing belt, water pump, front seals, and thermostat I charged 4.5 hours. That t belt is very easy to do.
Also missing from that list is the oil pump oring/gasket. Very important part.
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You don't need to remove the plugs to remove the valve cover only the wires. You also don't need to remove the valve cover to do the cam seal.
The problem with the timing belt job is to do it easily you need a lot of expensive special tools (seal remover, installer, cam pulley tool, air compressor, impact gun, and various sockets and wrenches. It becomes harder when you do not have these tools.
When I did a timing belt, water pump, front seals, and thermostat I charged 4.5 hours. That t belt is very easy to do.
Also missing from that list is the oil pump oring/gasket. Very important part.
Ever seen a bent cam gear/pulley bend from someone using "a special tool"? yeah in no documentation is it ok to stabilize the cam or gear with anything but a wrench to hold the cam shaft. Also, the spring loaded tensioner is designed to work and engage only with the resistance of the drag of the rotating assemblies and the vavlvetrain. Leaving the plugs in can cause it to overtension or cause the belt to jump teeth while trying in rotate and tension, which is annoying. If you take the time to do it right, it works properly the first time and for a long time.
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The typical timing belt kit, such as the Gates TCK199, has the timing belt, one idler pulley and one tensioner pulley. There are kits with the water pumps. If it's "OEM" then you're looking at a Mitsuboshi timing belt, Koyo or NSK pulleys and Aisin water pump.
So a "kit" can mean different things. I'd definitely get a list of parts replaced, because typically these "kits" from major distributors (search on rockauto.com) do NOT include oil seals. Use the list I compiled as a guide.
And if the mechanic has good review and those parts I listed are replaced, I'd say it's a good deal. Does he use Toyota Red with 50% distilled water too?
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Originally Posted by speedrider1
I guess I have a pretty good quote then. $590.00 and he says he gives 12 month 12,000 warranty on the job. That's why he says he uses a timing belt kit and does the water pump. I will have to ask about the seals.
Thanks everyone.
P.S. He also says he only uses OEM parts.
Well, I had the job done. I dropped it off at 8:45 AM, and it was done by 12:30 PM.
I picked up my car and I was not too happy. They quoted $508.00 and when I got there it was $402.78. They said they did not replace the tensioner and idler because they were fine. I said there is 152,000 miles on them, and I thought I asked you to put a timing kit including the water pump in. They said they don't like to sell people parts if they are not needed. Weird. I will be furious now if my pulleys start going. Also, the coolant that is in my car is green, is it supposed to be red?
I also got my old timing belt from them. They said it must have been serviced before, because it still looked fine. I said it was definitely the original, because I bought the car with 68,000 miles 8 years ago, and the lady who I worked with, said it never had anything done except oil changes and other maintenance like plugs and wires and coolant flush. I looked thru all the receipts that she gave me, and timing belt was never done.
Last edited by speedrider1; 03-03-2012 at 09:07 AM.
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Well, I had the job done. I dropped it off at 8:45 AM, and it was done by 12:30 PM.
I picked up my car and I was not too happy. They quoted $508.00 and when I got there it was $402.78. They said they did not replace the tensioner and idler because they were fine. I said there is 152,000 miles on them, and I thought I asked you to put a timing kit including the water pump in. They said they don't like to sell people parts if they are not needed. Weird. I will be furious now if my pulleys start going. Also, the coolant that is in my car is green, is it supposed to be red?
I also got my old timing belt from them. They said it must have been serviced before, because it still looked fine. I said it was definitely the original, because I bought the car with 68,000 miles 8 years ago, and the lady who I worked with, said it never had anything done except oil changes and other maintenance like plugs and wires and coolant flush. I looked thru all the receipts that she gave me, and timing belt was never done.
That's a shame. The parts you mentioned are usually replaced along with the belt, due to the parts having the same mileage as the belt that they're holding in place. These guys either wanted to make as much money the day they serviced your car by "rushing" through the repair, and/or more likely they want you as a repeat customer if these 2 parts fail and take the timing belt with them. Did they at least replace the seals?
I don't think they did the seals either. I just notice a oil spot on the driveway. I don't know if I will have recourse. I will have to call them and see how they respond. I found them thru the BBB web site. Maybe they will be good about taking care of any problems.
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1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
Wish I saw that video before paying 400 bucks. I could have done that!
That is kind of why I posted. Maybe it will help someone down the road. I am all for replacing tensioners and seals, but if you ain't got the dough you ain't got the dough!
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2006 Vibe, White, 1zzfe, auto ( Toyota type IV), AWD, PW, PL, CC, AC, 161,000(5/12/2012)
1998 Camry LE, 4 door, Puke Green, I4(5S-FE), CA Emissions, Auto(A140E), 122k(3/22/2012), AC,CC, ABS, Built in Japan 04/98. Grandmas old car(acquired 7/22/2011), work= precat Denso A/F sensor, NGK wires.
I had the dough. So when I asked them to do a kit, I feel they should have done a kit. I am also noticing that I now have an oil leak right under where the dampener pulley is. I am wondering if they caused that when they removed the dampener pulley to do the belt.
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