3rd & 4th Generation (1992–1996 & 1997–2001)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 1992-1996 & 1997-2001
Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance all involving America's favorite family car, the Toyota Camry.
Aside from the obvious weight and body shape differences, are there any known differences in other areas or components?
for example, i am thinking about installing a high flow exhaust system replacing everything from the headers to the muffler tip.
I understand the Sedans have allot of Exact Fit parts on the aftermarket (i use the term 'exact fit' loosely as i have heard some brands are anything but.) and i was wondering if i should be wary buying exhaust piping/components constructed for the Sedans when i intend to install them on my Wagon (OBX,Magnaflow,etc.)
Naturally i assumed the construction of the two under chassis' would be the same but as i was informed by a mate from work today that Bitsamissin Magnas have different under chassis' for their Wagons and Sedans, i am beginning to doubt my theory.
Fingers crossed that someone here knows the schematics of the two body shapes or atleast knows where i can find them, if they are the same then i have a fighting chance of doing the installation myself.
Mind you, exhaust systems aren't the only mods i'm looking at which could be stumped by the different designs.
If anyone has any idea where to begin when looking for performance suspension and shocks i would be much obliged if you could point me in the right direction as i am a 3rd year heavy diesel mechanic and I know 5/8ths of **** all on that subject.
If it's similar to the gen 3 wagon/sedan then yes the under carriage structure should be the same. The only point of concern I would forsee is that the wagon may be a hair longer, but I have yet to see concrete proof of that. As far as suspension goes most of the lowered gen 3 wagons are using full on coilover systems to achieve changes in ride height. I believe there is a company called BC Coilovers that will customize spring rates at no additional charge so that may be worth looking into with the additional rear weight of the wagon.
Hope this helps.
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331,000 miles and the wife's 1995 Camry LE finally bit the dust...but we can rebuild it, we have the technology...
1993 Camry LE wagon, 4 cyl, 5 spd swapped...more to come...
Last edited by curry.style; 01-23-2012 at 03:28 PM.
Dam then for the moment it's not looking good as you are the third person to have the same suspicion... Apparently the ass end after the rear axel may have been slightly extended to maximize storage capacity as that is the whole intention of the Wagon concept.
I wonder exactly how much an off the shelf exhaust system would have to be modified for a snug fit.
As I live in Aus I don't suppose you would know if BC Coilovers has a retailer over here?
I do not know if BC has a retailer near you or not. I just searched for BC coilovers when I was looking into it and it brought me to their homepage. As far as the length difference I've heard anywhere from 1" to 3" difference in the two, but again nothing concrete from anyone. If I remember right in my '93 owner's manual it is stated as a 1" wheelbase difference, meaning it would be in between the front and rear wheels. Comparing my '95 sedan and '93 wagon, the wagon "seems" to have more rear legroom, but this could be a matter of perception.
Either way if you can weld or have a buddy who can it shouldn't be a huge deal to modify the exhaust a few inches.
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331,000 miles and the wife's 1995 Camry LE finally bit the dust...but we can rebuild it, we have the technology...
1993 Camry LE wagon, 4 cyl, 5 spd swapped...more to come...
If it's similar to the gen 3 wagon/sedan then yes the under carriage structure should be the same. The only point of concern I would forsee is that the wagon may be a hair longer, but I have yet to see concrete proof of that. As far as suspension goes most of the lowered gen 3 wagons are using full on coilover systems to achieve changes in ride height. I believe there is a company called BC Coilovers that will customize spring rates at no additional charge so that may be worth looking into with the additional rear weight of the wagon.
Hope this helps.
Mate you are a LEGEND!
So it appears i'm going to have to get someone to modify the length of one of the adjoining pipes to cover the 1.6 inch gap as i don't have access to a TIG.
Oh well not too bad i suppose. Thanks again.
On the other hand What coil overs are you guys running in your wagons at the moment and if they aren't stock - how do you feel they have improved or declined body-roll/stability/comfort?
Keep in mind that the numbers I posted are for gen 3 wagons. Yours is very different. The site I looked it up on does not show your gen wagons because they were not sold here. An Australian site will probably show you the info specific to your car.
And no coil overs for me... If anything, I need to go higher.
Keep in mind that the numbers I posted are for gen 3 wagons. Yours is very different. The site I looked it up on does not show your gen wagons because they were not sold here. An Australian site will probably show you the info specific to your car.
And no coil overs for me... If anything, I need to go higher.
Noted.
Well i think its safe to assume a complete performance exhaust rebuild would involve some sort of chop-and-change regardless of wether or not the parts were built for any particular model so i won't stress too much in that department.
I was also thinking of going a little higher in the rear as the ass end of my camry sits lower (un-laiden) than the front end when most of the weight is in the engine bay (i assume).
Add 50-100kg in the boot and i scrape my tow bar on every drive way that has a little more incline than others not to mention scraping your odd speed hump at a deadly 25-30kph.
I saw a bloke driving a Gen4 Wagon filled to the rim with tools and buckets and what not yet his rear was riding higher than mine. Thats what i want, or at the very least more stiffer springs to keep the ride hight but reduce the amount of give... i suppose comfort might suffer a little with stiffer rear susension?
if the wheelbase is the same for the sedan and wagon the length difference would be behind the rear wheels. And if the difference is only a matter of 1 or 2 inches how many people would even notice?
I think part of the problem is the location of the rear muffler hangers. I don't think he wants his exhaust dragging the ground.
Exactly right.
One or two of the joining pipes will have to be extended to ensure cat, resonator and muffler fit perfectly.
But for the moment i'm going to have to replace my shocks, probably performance springs and shocks with a little bit of a stiffer ride to improve cornering.
Anyone know of any decent australian owned brands?
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