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Old 01-27-2013, 09:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Grinding noises and no heat at idle.

So I dont own the car, but a close personal friend has a Gen 3, 1994 XLE with the 2.2L. Currently she is experiancing low to no heat at idle and a grinding noise when turning at low speeds.

I realize that the heat problem is possibly thermostat related, or else the core is probably gunked up (Not sure what the coolant in it is, so have to figure that one out)

As for the grinding noise, it could be struts, the plates, the cv axles or possibly even the steering pump.

Does anyone have suggestions for either of these for narrowing down the culprit? I will be test driving the car tommrow, so may have some better ideas on how to approach this issue.
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It's freaky that you mention no heat at idle. I was just looking up what could be that exact thing for a friend's Civic. A lot of forums mention that it's possibly a head gasket. Pressure from combustion forcing a bit of exhaust into the cooling system (air bubble/s). I'd start by checking for leaks (tiny ones), then check the thermostat. If it's not leaking and it's not the thermostat, I'd then try back flushing the heater core. If that isn't the problem, it may be a HG.

As for the grinding noise, I'd visually inspect the CV boots for tears, although the usual symptom is a clicking not a grinding. You can check the plates by spraying penetrating lube (doesn't always work) on them and then test driving the car. If the noise goes away, it's the plates. You're better off test driving the car first though so you know exactly what noise it's making. Reminds me of an ad.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Sounds like you have 2 independent issues.

Heat: Is there plenty of hot air from the HVAC system when the engine speed is above idle?

Grinding: Is the noise only while turning the steering wheel, or is it present when holding the steering wheel steady while into the turn?
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Old 01-28-2013, 11:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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When moving the heat is fine. Need to confirm on the second one.
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When moving the heat is fine.
Then there is a coolant flow problem.

Does the temperature shown on the gauge slowly go up above its normal driving temperature when the engine is left idling for longer periods?

If yes, then you may have entrapped air in the cooling system, or a water pump whose impeller is disintragating, either of which would cause improper overall coolant flow through the system.

If no, then your heater core is likely plugging up and should be backflushed to see if you can get the partial clogging debris out of there.

You may want to check the pH of the coolant in there now to determine if it is becoming to acidic or basic. If so, best to replace the coolant. Or, if checking it presents difficulties, just replace it.
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Definitely check the coolant, I think my inattention to mine in my little pickup led to a headgasket failure at least in part.
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Definitely check the coolant, I think my inattention to mine in my little pickup led to a headgasket failure at least in part.
Neglected coolant, in particular on engines with aluminum heads and cast iron blocks, plays havoc with head gaskets, but can also affect all-aluminum engines or all cast iron engines too.
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Mine was the good old reliable 4.3 v6 all iron. I have not driven it very many miles per year for many years now and I neglected the coolant other than to check if it was good for the winter, never the ph. These engines are known to leak on the intake but mine was leaking out side on the driver side head and dripping on the exhaust. Lesson learned for sure.
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Grinding: Is the noise only while turning the steering wheel, or is it present when holding the steering wheel steady while into the turn?
--Apparently the noise is only while turning the wheel. Holding it steady does not seem to generate the grinding noise I am being told.
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--Apparently the noise is only while turning the wheel. Holding it steady does not seem to generate the grinding noise I am being told.
In this case, if the noise only happens when in the act of turning the steernig wheel, I would think the axles, wheel bearings, etc., should all be good.

I would check the upper strut mounts, the ball joints, the tie-rod ends, the steering rack, and the universal joint(s) between the steering wheel shaft and the steering rack.

You could jack & block the front ofthe car up so both front tires are off the ground, then with engine off, have someone turn the steering wheel from lock to lock and you listen for the noise. It it can't be heard, start the engine and listen again. If it can't be heard yet, drop the car back down on the wheels and then turn the steering wheel lock to lock and listen for the noise.

Otherwise, take it to a mechanic or a place that sells tires and does suspension work and have them do the inspection on your behalf.
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^All that. But add the strut's thrust bearings to the list. On a '94, I'm pretty sure they're located at the bottom end of the spring. They allow the strut/wheels to pivot smoothly while turning.
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Does someone have an expanded illustration of the suspension where I can see the thrust bearing and top mounts?
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Does someone have an expanded illustration of the suspension where I can see the thrust bearing and top mounts?
This should be it. I don't see that thrust bearing BMR is saying is there, and I have never heard of that in a Toyota strut at all, but I don't personally own a 1994 Camry XLE either.

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This is good stuff, Is the upper mount sold as an assembly?
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This is good stuff, Is the upper mount sold as an assembly?
Yes, see example below (front shown, rear also available):

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