Definitely interested. This sounds amazing.

 

i like the idea but there are 2 large turnoffs for me:

a) $2000 is a lot, even if it can produce constant 40 hp+ gains.
b) how long does the batter last? the lowest price i have seen is around $120.

either way, im in to see your results. good luck and thanks for taking the dive!

 

i like the idea but there are 2 large turnoffs for me:

a) $2000 is a lot, even if it can produce constant 40 hp+ gains.
b) how long does the batter last? the lowest price i have seen is around $120.

either way, im in to see your results. good luck and thanks for taking the dive!

I hear you, but :
a) $2000 is the upper end of a cost projection. Also, if you have done any serious shopping about mechanical supercharging, or turbo charging, you will have to note that it is a heck of alot of power for the dollar. Further, you have to understand that that the power gains you get will come through a low and very broad power deliver curve. - This is not like a mod that will just give you another 40, peak hp, at the top 500rpm of your power curve. It's also going to be delivered in a manner that is less likely to break mechanical parts, than a conventional supercharger or turbocharger
b) How long does the batter last? Look at the info on the web-site. It says it has a 1:8, duty cycle. One minute full boost, for 8 minutes of recharging time. Are you planning on driving at WOT for more than 15% of your driving time? The batteries are built to many 1000's of cycles, so the batter should last a pretty long time!

Check the web-sit info on this though.

 

Count me in!!!!

 

dang, it's a lot of money honestly, considered that $1,800-$2,300 might buy the re-manufactured mechanical OEM supercharger kit with Eaton M62 (for 1mz-fe) and all the accessories for easy install (labor NOT included!) ... that of course doesn't include any gizmos like AEM FIC piggyback or so, but still ... you would need that regardless, yes (otherwise CEL problem)?

anyways, I AM interested in seeing REAL WORLD results of those hairdriers , post the videos when you can

 

Honesty, I've seen the boost, begged to get into a program, and I'm going to give it the very best my resources and intellect can supply. I'm really hoping that my first or second test. of a set-up, won't just blow out out my head gaskets. If this thing actually pushes up 4 psi of boost of the line with my old Camry, it will be shoving with so much torque, off the line that traction will be the issue, maybe all the way to 110kph (70mph or so). That should take less than 7 seconds of full boost time. If this system does this, it's 100% worth the cost and time for me to develope. If I can punch it in the "dead zone", with the automatic (between 30 and 50mph), and it gets up and hustles... it's also paid for!

I just yesterday had a silly stop light jump up to 50mph, with a Gen7 SE V-6 (beat me by 3 cars lengths), and a Gen4 LE 4cyl (beat him by 6 cars lengths). If I can smile next to my Gen7 Camry SE owner next time, the supercharger is paid for. Sounds like its about racing, but it's not that at all. ]It's just about taking the cars capabilities, up to a modern level. A quiet, sophisticated car that can move around in modern traffic, and not get brow-beaten, by every modern SUV, Minivan, and diesel truck, that wants to pollute the air and view in front of me, just because they can.:facepalm:

If it can do this, it's paid for itself as well!

 

Anyone interested in this modification has to read through at least parts of this thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39719&page=93 This type of system is no longer a pipe dream! It's up, running, and being refined. The dyno runs are pouring in, competing systems are working, and the money is starting to move around. It's even being added to supercharged and turbocharged cars, to enhance low end and cut turbo lag, it's about as real as real can get.

:facepalm: I knew this was going to happen, the technology has been around for quite awhile, it's not quite the same as the "Back to the Future", hover car stuff, but it's definitely about the ability to retro-fit older cars with more modern power capabilities.

These guys are playing with much more modern/complicated, and fussy systems than we are to get huge power gains. Every Gen3,4&5 owner, that would like to light-up their ride, should look at this stuff with some kind of interest.:thumbsup:

Edit: for some silly reason I keep meeting the same red, V-6 SE, Gen7 Camry, day after day, after day, on the same big stretch of road? 5 for 5 this week! Somebody trying to tell me something?

 

I'm actually interested to see where this goes.

 

I'm so excited, I'm like a little dog waiting for mom to pull into the driveway.

 

Problem is, this guy is still using batteries which have a service life of only thousands of charge/discharge cycles. Should be using ultracaps which are rated for MILLIONS of charge/discharge cycles, plus; with lighter and less-friction inducing parts one could get more efficiency from said blower. Tempted to buy a phantomsupercharger, dismantle it, and see what can be improved upon. I would bet that the insides of that blower are not smooth, which will rob boost.

Too bad the darn caps are still cost-prohibitive, but the flipside is you won't have to worry about blowing one up or replacing it due to end-of-service-life IF YOU NEVER EXCEED THE RATED VOLTAGE. Also with the caps you can take apart or add to another cap assembly to get a desired max voltage whereas with batteries this is much harder to do.

Even so, my hat's off to the idea...the technology exists for this to happen and there are enough off-the-shelf parts available to where there are many avenues you could take to achieve the same goal...

I wonder who will step up and give the phantomcharger a try??? Someone please do it because it takes me forever to get finished with anything...:disappoin:disappoin

 

There are deep cycle batteries available that could be substituted in place of their 3 battery design. Mind you these are full sized battries, so one, or both would have to be relocated to the trunk.

The GRS (Gas Reclamation System) I use at my day job has 2 of these. On a full charge, it will run the pump ( http://www.fillrite.com/index.cfm/products/productdetail/?p=102&ps=81 ) for over 10 hours. Pump has a max rating of 16PSI at a 10A draw. But, it's also pushing liquid, not air (just to give you an idea how beefy these things are). This is with nothing feeding back into the system (no charger). The batteries are designed to be completely drained, and recharged thousands of times (unlike a traditional car battery).

Why the designers of the supercharger didn't use these? Probably because they don't know about them. Not many people do. The drawback, is that they are REALLY expensive. About $600 per battery. That adds a huge cost to the whole thing.

All that being said. If Silent Runner actually get's one. I'd be willing to throw in a few bucks to fund the project.

 

A battery driven supercharger is no new thing, its making them work in a long term application that is the issue.

 

looks like an awesome experiment, fun too

 

Great! Keep us posted on progress! AS soon as I have a steady paycheck again starting mid-November, I will be posting my progress as well - exciting times ahead!

 

this should be interesting to see- it sounds like it should work, and also work fairly well for a street application.

I have my doubts when it comes to a race application where you are pretty close to at WOT and definitely in high boost for 3 or 4 hours at a time with only some short rest in between 30-40 lapping runs.

 

Track racing will definitely pose a challenge to this technology. Unfortunately it would be very hard to "shadetree engineer" the type of energy recovery efficiency that Toyota's test racing program, or the new Yaris "Sport" showcar has in using supercapacitors. At best, supercaps, along with a heavy-duty alternator, might make the energy recovery, duty cycle, of this type of system alot more robust.:dunno: It may eventually depend on the nature of the track, as to whether this type of system will be practical...

Never the less, it's duty cycle should be more than robust enough for normal (or even a little abnormal:lol, street driving.... merging, highway passing, and the odd bit of safely goofing around.

 

This speculating stuff is alot of fun, and I'm trying to make the most of it before I have to get down to the real work. The closest thing these guys have tested to a 3VZ-FE, or 1MZ-FE engine is a VW MK4, VR6:

Looks like about a 46ft/lb increase in the torque peak, and an even bigger jump than that, when it hits around 2500rpm. Hp increases are in the 20-25 area, through out the power band, tapering off at the end, due to the smaller compressor, and the VR6's higher rpm power band
Judging from the numbers, I'd say this was an automatic version, with the smaller compressor.

 

Now, a 3VZ-FE dyno run (manual transmission car):

It's sooo..... fun to use your imagination.:lol: I can't wait to see what is really does!

 

A couple of Aussies (hehe gotta laugh).

Look at this:

 

LOL! Really enjoyed that show :thumbsup:
Loved how they proved a 2 leaf blowers setup at half cost did more than any electrical supercharger kit from ebay ... also the way they were using a sledge hammer to close up the hood on that poor beaten up Daihatsu was hilarious :clap:

... now ... I want to believe that Silent Runner's electrical SC system is much better than this. wishing everybody the best, don't get me wrong

A couple of Aussies (hehe gotta laugh).

Look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGWgvJN1_8

 

Ya, It's long past time for an update on this system. I've started a "Build Thread", and there is some more recent postings on it in there, but I'll pass along a more full update now.

First thing, this is not a little hairdryer motor and fan that you splice into your intake track. It a brushless 24V, DC, computer controlled motor, that puts out 3.5Kw (about 4.7hp), running at around 45,000rpm. It is custom designed to drive the cold side of an actual turbo-charger housing, that flows about 400cfm of air at this rpm range. Just as the exhaust driven counterpart of this housing would, it flows.... and pressurizes air along the way!

Now if you going to stuff such a thing into your intake track, you have to make sure it gets along with the rest of the engines systems. The CCV system has to be taken care of properly, and you need to properly include a port for the Idle/Air bypass system. All this has to be set-up properly to actually presurize air flow, keep the car from blowing-up, and keep it running properly. - Not so simple really, if you want to use the 7" inches or so of a Gen3, 3VZ's space between the throttle plates and the air cleaner!

This is what I have designed and so far tested only under static conditions:

Sorry, the actual "install" picture, was taken inside my garage, and came out so dark it was useless. So this was the mock-up before the bolt-in.
A static test, showed that it pressurized with no leaks, but a road test was out of the question, since we were in the middle of a huge blizzard.:disappoin

With Christmas and New-Years approaching, I'm shelving testing until next year, as soon as we have some decent pavement to drive on. I'll definitely be doing videos for "You-Tube" posting on this!

Incidently, "Rob" has sent a full Phantom Supercharger kit out to the "boys" in Aussy-land for testing, if you still have any doubts about whether this stuff is the "real thing", and how committed this "performance company, to be" really is. Hopefully they will produce an equally entertaining video, on how this kit blows them away!:rockon

 

For some reason,... I still can't get more than one picture into a bloody post! So, just a little more on the last one. This is a more complete picture of the full developer kit. It includes wiring and the controller box, along with an arming switch/voltmeter gauge. The system also requires a 24v battery package (two heavy cycle, 12V batteries wired in series), to act as the primary, power supply for the system under operation. The controller also isolates the cars 12v system from the Phantom systems operation, then provides a regulated re-charge to the "dump" batteries of about 300w at peak, for about an 1:8 duty cycle of full boost/throttle, to recharge time.

The Poodle, my greatest critic so far... feels that seat traction (on leather) with be adversely affected, and thus head/Face time outside of passenger window will suffer.

 

I think I should make a little post here about performance expectations. First of all, I really have no idea what this syetem is actually going to do to for the cars overall performance, or what tuning issues may ensue, once I start hitting the "switch".

To start out, I am going to rely on the ridiculously wide parameters, built into this old OBD1 system to compensate briefly for an anticipated 4-5 psi/peak, then go on for short periods to supply enough fuel to compensate for 2-3 psi, in short acceleration runs, without detonation or coding. If my JET-Performance, monitoring computer shows it leaning out too much, I will start adjusting the AFM, back into the richer range it started out in, and see if that helps. Finally, I may trigger the "cold start" injector, and just dump more fuel in. (don't think this will be needed)

Now before everyone gets down on the small amount of boost, I should note that every 1psi of boost counts, big time, over a full engine power band and I for one, don't want to blow-up my engine/or transmission to achieve "Fast and Furious", fantacy numbers. Based on all past dyno testing, this system may "top-up" peak hp by as much as 20-30whp, but that will be dependant on how well the rest of the cars systems respond. What it will do though, is absolutely kick the lower and mid range performance of the engine in the pants, up 30-40%. With this kind of a kick, it should come very close to matching the kind of performance, a brand new 269hp, Camry SE can achieve, and that is the range of my performance goals.

I would like to ensure that this system can be bolted on to a 1MZ-FE, Camry variant, since many more of them are out there, and I would like to move to a Solara coupe in the future. Some interesting information from another member (nameless for now), suggests that the 1MZ, may also have enough room in its running parameters, to run this system, without major coding/tuning problems. A fuel trim that can run +38%, for short periods is encouraging, and mirrors the experience gained from running this system on the brand new Scion FRS. The FRS has a 200hp 4cyl engine, and it has seen remarkable power improvements with the TQ250, prototype system I will be testing for our cars.

Thats all for now!

 

Thanks for the update(s). I really appreciate it. I've been talking to Rob for the last week and am trying to get my hands on a developer kit. I originally was trying for my RAV4 V6 (2gr-FE engine) but it flows too much air. So I'm trying to get a unit for my older 1989 Subaru 2.7ltr Subaru XT6. It only makes 145whp stock so it is a perfect candidate. I've modded just about every part that I could with it, without going internal to the engine.

I'm aware of what the kit is capable of as I have spent a lot of time reading about it in the FRS forums. You still will get those that will ridicule this and classify it with the E-Ram or Turbonator, etc. I'm cool with that since I'm not trying to prove anything. I've seen the dyno runs.

Good luck on your build and shoot me a PM. When Rob is ready to send me a developer kit, I'll be ordering the batteries and getting it installed. I can't wait until it gets warmer out. It'll be installed when I get it. Hehe! Thanks again!

BTW: I see you have a 'helper' with your build (The dog). Hope he likes boost too. :lol:

I honestly think when the mainstream companies get a hold of this 'technology', they will mass produce it (OBX supercharger developer kit). It would be the next upgrade from an sri/cai intake, but a step down from turbo/supercharger kit. It fits right in with a 15-50hp shot of nitrous supply on tap (without having to pay for a refill).

 

Fyi.....

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?v=timeline&filter=1&id=233431676670350&refid=17

 

this is awesome and the best mapping deal i have seen for $495:
Features:
Free Off-The-Shelf (OTS) maps available for various vehicle modifications
Full open ROM editing with no encryptions or locks
Trouble code reading/clearing
Enhanced data-logging/data-graphing
Multiple tuning file storage
No software licensing
100% Reversible to original factory tune in minutes
True plug-and-play functionality

maybe someone knowledgeable will start rewriting map file for our engines too.

 

^ Some pretty neat stuff up there. Vishnu, is doing alot of great work in performance! If I didn't have a morgage, and retirement looming in the fast approaching horizon, I'd sock a big whad of cash into a 10 second BMW 335. (I have a friend in that process).

For now, I see many levels of performance cruizing around on the streets, and in the last 20 years, it has shifted dramatically. A swift, V-6 family sedan from 20 years ago, is now barely a match for a bigger, heavier 4cyl equivalent today. From there it gets alot worse, almost anything with a V-6, can dust you off with all the effort of swatting a fly. It's the one piece, that knocks down the pleasure of driving a nice, "paid-for", and highly capable (driving modded), car from the past ranks. Alot of folks might think it would be silly to try to make a "super car", out of an old Camry, family car, but would it be silly to buy an option for updating it to current standards?

Current standards for V-6 family sedans, run around 0-60 in 6.5 seconds, and high/mid 14sec., 1/4 mile times. Camry, Altima, Accord, BMW 330, Malibu, Fusion, Chrysler 200, Subaru?. and a large host of others in the SUV and Minivan class all come to close to meeting or beating this kind of stuff.

If you enjoy performance in your car, is it worth $1500-1600, to hold your own with this crowd, while modding and enjoying, a car that is otherwise paid-for, and is your own unique piece? A bit more than a set of wheels and tires, to do this? Now 4-5K to set up a custom turbo/supercharger application, would take alot of people out of the equation, but this is bang for the buck!

I work for an international snack food company, and this is the absolute peak, of any of our peak sales times in the year. If this wasn't the case, I'd be out scorching the snow and ice packed roads right now, looking for a dry place to hook this stuff up.

 

Good luck with your setup. Rob was telling me that he didn't have a blower powerful enough to support our engines...yet. I'm still looking to purchase a phantom unit from him for one of my Subarus though. Need to look elsewhere for more power for the 2GR-FE for now (Monkeywrench Racing, Nitrous, etc).

 

Good luck with your setup. Rob was telling me that he didn't have a blower powerful enough to support our engines...yet. I'm still looking to purchase a phantom unit from him for one of my Subarus though. Need to look elsewhere for more power for the 2GR-FE for now (Monkeywrench Racing, Nitrous, etc).

Maybe the TQ300 (in developement) could enhance that engine a bit in future releases, but hey! A high 13 sec. 1/4 mile is already a heck of a thrilling sleigh ride for a mini SUV! Unless your trying to build a "Pinks" contender, I really don't get the point of going beyond that power level?

Beyond what you have is the domain of truly high performance, dedicated cars.

 

2 grand could get you a decent start on a ct26 build... Just saying

 

I'm sure thats true for your part of the world, but around here, add at least 50%. But thats not really the key point of interest of this system.
This may make as much as 30 more peak hp, if it all works out, but it is the "how and when" that makes the system attractive.

Details worked out, this has the potential to light up the cars performance much more than another 20-30 hp may suggest, while not breaking engine and transmission parts, or requiring the involvement of speed shops and other expensive, outside help. Again, this is not going to make a "Fast & Furious" racer, but it does have the potential to add alot of fun.

1. The power will hit early, and fast. The engine should start making 60-80 more ft/lbs of torque at around 2500rpm than it normally does, the hp numbers will also jump early in the power band, but not by as much as the torque. This stuff gets a car going much better than big hp numbers. My Dec. 2013, Car and Driver Mag, shows a 4100lb Audi A6 3.0T (310hp), smoking a 3840lb Cadllac CTS 3.6 (321hp), with 11 less hp, in 60 times and 1/4 miles. (its actually faster in every measured parameter) When and how the power hits makes a difference.

2. Can a CT26 build be done in your garage in an afternoon or a weekend?
I doubt it. Certainly your even above average weekend mechanical expert could'nt do this.
3. I don't want to blow up my car for crazy performance, and I'll bet that most guys don't want to either, but a kit that can wake the car up for a little fun, and be easily moved over to another project, if something better comes along, seems like a better investment of cash to me.

I guess my testing will tell how this works out for our cars.