5S-FE a/t to m/t swap, e153 or s54?

[CrawlingEye]

I've been wanting to convert my car to a manual soon. I'm thinking about doing it quite soon and am not quite sure which tranny to choose just yet.

From first glimpse an e153 looks to be the best due to having an lsd option, the issues with it are that it has longer gears and with my goals, it may not be worthwhile.

the s54 would likely come out of a celica. I've gathered that these have no lsd option but have much shorter gearing.

regardless, my plans are to 'do it right the first time' and likely get an act stage 2 clutch/pressure plate, findanza flywheel and speed-source bushing kits and extended pushrod and a stainless clutch line.

thoughts?

[CrawlingEye]

I know, allen, but I'm trying to figure out which would be more beneficial to me first.

[Eye8Pussies]

I agree with allen with this one....with an NA build, and if the s54 does have shorter gears (which is what you want), it realy may be the better choice

THOUGH....if you plan on putting down 200+whp with your build, as you've mentioned before, lack of and available LSD could be a pain in the ass later on down the road

[chronoti]

you can get a custom lsd made tony has one for his auto. or you can regear the E153

[pkchi]

hi there i dun realy noe about transmission but does the e153 fit on a gen 4 camry??

[Eye8Pussies]

^ yes...it's the tranny that comes off the first gen solara, which I would presume is the same one that comes off the (rare) gen4 v6 5spds

[Gachinto]

How much is the cost for parts + labour? I've seen this swap on gen3 camry, one of the member on this forum, posted $800 CAD for parts, but he DIY. Obviously, I am not capable of doing that myself, however I want to.

[JetspeedCamry]

This might be a silly question, but, if the E153 is a V6 box, how does it fit the 5SFE or 3SGTE? Would this mean that any of the boxes from a 5S, 3S would fit the V6 engines?
Sorry for the newb question, just a bit confused!

[Gachinto]

^^ Silly Jetspeed, swap are for pros. (Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.)

[CrawlingEye]

to fit an e153 to a 5s it requires new axles and some work, but it can be done...

back to my subject at hand though, do you guys think I'd kick myself down the road for going with an s54?
I'd like the car to be a weekend track car, which is where the LSD would be most beneficial. I've found S54's in junkyards for $150. Likely in need of a rebuild, but one even comes with a 6 month warranty... where-by I'd likely rebuild it anyway just to be certain.

[JetspeedCamry]

Originally Posted by Gachinto

^^ Silly Jetspeed, swap are for pros. (Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.)

Come again?

[zoni]

guys, just to show my love for the nooblets out there, here is a list of what you need to do a sucessful tranny swap, and do it right...

keep in mind this will NEVER (until i develop a bolt-on kit for it...) be a cut and dry, straight forward swap...

there will have to be some wiring done...
there might be a few issues that you come up with along the way also...

i can help you 100% if you have a gen 3, if you have a gen 4, i dont have a wiring manual for that... please only ask me if you are 100% serious and have the money to start buying parts, because i dont like to do work unless it will benefit someone seriously.

http://zonicamry.com/Info_and_Tech_D...Gen34Camry.htm

the only difference when doing a e153 swap onto a 5sfe...
Need a v6 manual tranny from 92-01 camry v6, 98-02 solara v6. the solara tranny is rumored to have better gearing for forced induction.
Custom pieced together Clutch Kit (5sfe clutch disc, 3sgte pressure plate, release bearing)
Need a 3sgte inner half shaft.
Need driver and outer passenger axles from a v6 camry (whatever gen the car is)
Need wheel hubs to fit the axles...
Need brakes to fit the hubs...

this is why if you arent looking for power, you want to stick with the 4 cylinder parts (cause you arent swapping out all those parts).

for the big boys

the e153 is better if you are looking for more power eventually... 275+hp
the s54 is cool if you are doing a basic turbo kit or ripp s/c or staying stock.

either way, get a lightened flywheel, trust me... you want it!
also, stage 2 clutch is better for daily driving with some friendly racing here and there, stage 3 is very strong and will grip instantly making it almost impossible to ever drive your parents or grandparents anywhere in your car... only get stage 3 if you really need it for the power (300+hp) from what ive heard, stage 2 is cool up to 300ish usually, but again, dont expect to spin the tires TOO much in 2nd with a stage 2. stage 3... for sure if you have the power to back it up.

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by JetspeedCamry

This might be a silly question, but, if the E153 is a V6 box, how does it fit the 5SFE or 3SGTE? Would this mean that any of the boxes from a 5S, 3S would fit the V6 engines?

Newb. j/k

Did you forget that a MR2 Turbo has a 3S-GTE and also uses a E153? Difference is in the shift linkage (on the front of the tranny vs. the rear), gear ratios, and synchros (E153 on Camrys after a certain year have dual cone synchros).

3S and 5S are very similiar blocks (their both S blocks). Even though the 5S has a larger bore and different crank.

[chronoti]

and you have to rember people are lazy and just reuse bell housing bolt patters so they dont have to go and remake a whole new tranny to test the new engine or put a new engeine in to production.

what i been thinking is how the hell to get one of them new 5-speed auto's in me gen 3

[JetspeedCamry]

Originally Posted by 88 LE

Newb. j/k

Did you forget that a MR2 Turbo has a 3S-GTE and also uses a E153? Difference is in the shift linkage (on the front of the tranny vs. the rear), gear ratios, and synchros (E153 on Camrys after a certain year have dual cone synchros).

3S and 5S are very similiar blocks (their both S blocks). Even though the 5S has a larger bore and different crank.

Haha..i'll get ya back...dnt u worry!!

Oh and I didn't "forget" haha!

So that means that all the 5S and 3S gearboxes will bolt up to a V6, apart from being not strong enough.

Interesting.