5th & 6th Generation (2002-2006 & 2007-2011)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 2002-2006 & 2007-2011
Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance all involving America's favorite family car, the Toyota Camry.
That Honda Wagon is hideous. I've always had a thing for wagons. SUV are nice, but they are too big, but don't offer enough interor room. They could do a Camry wagon with 7 seats with the rear one folding into a well like the Sienna does. I would sell my gen 5 in a heart beat to get a new Camry wagon.
That Honda Wagon is hideous. I've always had a thing for wagons. SUV are nice, but they are too big, but don't offer enough interor room. They could do a Camry wagon with 7 seats with the rear one folding into a well like the Sienna does. I would sell my gen 5 in a heart beat to get a new Camry wagon.
How would you compare the appearance of the Accord Tourer to the Matrix?
How would you compare the appearance of the Accord Tourer to the Matrix?
I dunno. Personally, I don't like the Accord Tourer. The lines seem a bit conservative and dated to me. Notice the front end of it is the same as North American TSX, so basically that's gotta be the European Version Accord, I guess it won't be available to the North American Market. Btw, maybe a extended Matrix with an aggressive "face-lifted" grill would look great.
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The rear lights are too big, window is too round and small and it looks like it would eat you with its mean mouth if you walked up from behind. Also from the side, it is too heavy in the rear. The matrix looks much better propotioned.
Unfortunately, Consumer Reports wrote the following about the Matrix:
Below average acceleration - "0-60 mph, sec. 12.0"
"Noise suppression is mediocre, and some drivers tired of the booming engine noise."
"The standard 1.8-liter four-cylinder drones loudly and performs modestly."
"But the Matrix needs to be revved a lot to deliver its power."
"The optional AWD system (available only with the automatic) works well but hurts acceleration and fuel economy."
“Awkward driving position.” "The driving position is so-so because the steering wheel is positioned too far forward."
"Stability control is optional, but is hard to find."
"Avoidance maneuver maximum speed, mph 51.5"
"Low-beam headlights lacked distance."
"The small rear window, large rear head restraints, and tapered side windows obscure rear visibility."
"Cargo volume, cu. ft.28"
I would add:
Tall, long-legged drivers (especially those with larger shoe sizes) may find that they cannot stretch out their left leg as the left front wheel well juts too far into the driver's space
Reduced cargo capacity due to "stylish" roofline defeats the functionality and the reason for having a wagon in the first place.
Not on IIHS Top Safety Pick Awards List.
For a wagon to be useful it needs to have a reasonable cargo volume. The typical American is taller / larger than the average Japanese person. And we tend to be impatient especially when it comes to acceleration on crowded metropolitan roads. Lastly, a number of CR's comments are safety related. Toyota needs to make a more competitive well-rounded wagon. At least the Tourer has more passenger & cargo room, a larger engine, and minimal blind spots.
Unfortunately, Consumer Reports wrote the following about the Matrix:
Below average acceleration - "0-60 mph, sec. 12.0"
"Noise suppression is mediocre, and some drivers tired of the booming engine noise."
"The standard 1.8-liter four-cylinder drones loudly and performs modestly."
"But the Matrix needs to be revved a lot to deliver its power."
"The optional AWD system (available only with the automatic) works well but hurts acceleration and fuel economy."
“Awkward driving position.” "The driving position is so-so because the steering wheel is positioned too far forward."
"Stability control is optional, but is hard to find."
"Avoidance maneuver maximum speed, mph 51.5"
"Low-beam headlights lacked distance."
"The small rear window, large rear head restraints, and tapered side windows obscure rear visibility."
"Cargo volume, cu. ft.28"
I would add:
Tall, long-legged drivers (especially those with larger shoe sizes) may find that they cannot stretch out their left leg as the left front wheel well juts too far into the driver's space
Reduced cargo capacity due to "stylish" roofline defeats the functionality and the reason for having a wagon in the first place.
Not on IIHS Top Safety Pick Awards List.
For a wagon to be useful it needs to have a reasonable cargo volume. The typical American is taller / larger than the average Japanese person. And we tend to be impatient especially when it comes to acceleration on crowded metropolitan roads. Lastly, a number of CR's comments are safety related.
Toyota needs to make a more competitive well-rounded wagon. At least the Tourer has more passenger & cargo room, a larger engine, and minimal blind spots.
I gotta agree with some of the points. I am 6 feet 5 and the driving position of the Matrix is really bad IMO. The position of the steering wheel is bad. On the other hand, the smaller, entry level Yaris Hatchback has a better driving position IMO, but they are targeting a different market and getting off topic here. haha. Overall, the Camry is always a good choice for me and I will choose the Matrix over the Corolla just because of the styling. For the midsize tourer/wagan segment, I think the new VW passat wagen (a bit on the expensive side of coz) would be my first choice and Mazda 6 would be my 2nd.
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For the midsize tourer/wagan segment, I think the new VW passat wagen (a bit on the expensive side of coz) would be my first choice and Mazda 6 would be my 2nd.
Unfortunately, the VW is not as reliable as a Honda or Toyota. CR was not too impressed with the 6's AT. And, the Mazda 6's V6 is a Ford engine.
I dunno. Personally, I don't like the Accord Tourer. The lines seem a bit conservative and dated to me. Notice the front end of it is the same as North American TSX, so basically that's gotta be the European Version Accord, I guess it won't be available to the North American Market. Btw, maybe a extended Matrix with an aggressive "face-lifted" grill would look great.
The Acura TSX is derrived from the top spec Euro/Japanese Accord. The car that Honda sells in North America as the Accord is known as Honda Inspire in Japan.
I looked hard at the Matrix. It just didn't "do it" for me either. I wanted it to do it for me tho...damn. I really can't stand the 4 deep recessed instrimentation's on the dash. I would think the Dodge Caliber is the best one out there. That is more sporty/wagon. Lots of niffty features... Time will tell if it turns out to be a decent vehicle tho....
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Gen6 Wagon?
For the midsize tourer/wagan segment, I think the new VW passat wagen (a bit on the expensive side of coz) would be my first choice and Mazda 6 would be my 2nd.
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