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Old 09-17-2006, 12:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Premium Gas Necessary for 07 Camry?

I recently purchased an 07 Camry i4 LE and was told by the sales representative that premium gas would better suite the car and show "much better performance". LATER as I took my car back to the dealer for maintence, the technician said the 07 Camrys were designed for 87 gas and wouldnt make a difference if premium gas was used. Now im confused and seeking for everyones opinion. So whats better for my 2007 i4 LE baby?
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:49 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Do what your owners manual says!!!

Screw the "sales representative". He's not paying your gas costs.
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I would say middle grade at the most. The car was built to run regulary no need run 91 or higher.

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I recently purchased an 07 Camry i4 LE and was told by the sales representative that premium gas would better suite the car and show "much better performance". LATER as I took my car back to the dealer for maintence, the technician said the 07 Camrys were designed for 87 gas and wouldnt make a difference if premium gas was used. Now im confused and seeking for everyones opinion. So whats better for my 2007 i4 LE baby?
To answer your very simple question is: 87 octane and no, premium gas won't make any difference except difference in cost.
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Old 09-17-2006, 03:04 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The owner’s manual may say something about this. Try all the grades of gas; see if the car runs better on any particular grade. Most 4’s run fine on regular gas.
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Old 09-17-2006, 04:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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To answer your very simple question is: 87 octane and no, premium gas won't make any difference except difference in cost.
Exactly. The motor and car CPU wasn't engineered to use 91 or higher octane, so won't make a difference in performance.
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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all that they tell you is crap.. i also have a lexus 06 GS 300 in my fam.. (mom has it) and she puts regular.. my girlfirends mom has a benz and she puts regular.. and they quote on quote can only take premium.. the car rides and feels the same.. trust me
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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From the Consumers report:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...view/index.htm

or Edmunds:

Do You Really Need Premium?
And Answers to Other Gasoline Questions


Buying premium gas is like taking vitamins — you can't always feel the difference and yet you know it's the right thing to do. But as gas prices climb, paying the extra dime per gallon for premium is like adding insult to injury. Eventually, the thought is bound to jump into your head: Do I really need to pop for premium?

Until about 15 years ago, if a car called for premium gas and you pumped in regular, the car began to knock and ping and even vibrate. But that was before they essentially put a laptop under the hood of the automobile, said Dr. Loren Beard, senior manager of Environmental and Energy Planning, for Daimler Chrysler. Now, sensors take readings and tune the engine as you drive by adjusting the timing for whatever fuel you put in the tank.

The result is that a car that calls for the mid-grade gasoline will usually run on regular without knocking, Beard said. However, its performance will suffer slightly. How much? It will be perhaps a half-second slower going from zero to 60 mph.

Volvo cars call for "premium fuel [91 octane or better] for optimum performance and fuel economy," said Wayne Baldwin, product/segment manager for the S60/S80. "However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using 87 octane, as the knock sensors and engine management system 'protect' the engine from knocking."

Baldwin, a former rally driver who competed in SCCA Pro Rally events, said that engines have changed a lot in the past 15 years. "Cars built before 1990 probably do not have knock sensors and many brands back then relied on high-compression ratios for the best performance. Today [performance comes from] electronically controlled spark curves, turbos, variable valve timing, supercharging and knock sensors."

Issues of performance aside, Baldwin said you should never use gasoline that causes your car to knock. "Constant knocking or detonation is a real bad thing for engines," he said.

When choosing what grade of gasoline to use, Steve Mazor, principal auto engineer for the Auto Club of Southern California, said it is important to read the owner's manual carefully. The key is to figure out whether premium gasoline is "required" or "recommended." If it is recommended then a driver could opt to use a lower grade of gas, if they were willing to accept slightly reduced performance and fuel economy.

However, Mazor added, "We don't recommend that people switch down. Let's say you switch down to regular, and you have to accelerate to avoid an accident and it doesn't accelerate fast enough. The Auto Club can't be responsible for causing that situation."

Edmunds.com has a Volvo S40 in its fleet, so we consulted the owner's manual to see the exact phrasing in regard to fuel requirements. It said, "Volvo engines are designed for optimum performance on unleaded premium gasoline with an AKI (Anti Knock Index) of 91 or above. The minimum octane requirement is AKI 87." It appears that Volvo is making a recommendation for premium gas but is not requiring it.

In Edmunds.com's forums, debates abound over the pros and cons of using different fuel grades. One member even suggested there was only one type of gasoline, no difference — except for price — between regular and premium. Other members recommended using premium gas even if the manual called for regular. We put this question to Mazor and Beard.

Mazor: "All this does is do a very good job of draining your wallet. People used to put in a tank of premium to get 'the good stuff' to help their engines stay clean. But now they put detergents in all grades so it doesn't really get you anything."

Beard: "If you have car designed to run on 87 [octane], it doesn't help to run it on higher-octane-level gas. But there are several exceptions." He said that the 3.5-liter Chrysler engines are designed to run on mid-grade gas (89 octane) and it allows them to advertise a certain peak horsepower. However, it will run well on regular gas. "The difference is very small," he said.

Interestingly, Mazor noted that at some gas stations, there are only two grades of gas. However, they blend the regular and premium at the pump to produce the mid-grade gasoline. This allows them to have only two underground tanks for the gas storage.

In Edmunds' forums some drivers expressed concern about the quality of gas sold at independent gas stations and advised sticking to the so-called "name" brands of gasoline.

"Typically the only difference is the additive package they put in the gas," Beard said. The additive package is often put into the gas as the tanker is filled up at the refinery. A common additive is a detergent agent. "The law requires a certain level of detergents in gasoline. Shell, for example, is putting in more detergent. — Whether that has a measurable effect to the driver is debatable."

Detergents have a marked effect on engine deposits. "If you take apart a modern engine that has been running on a modern fuel, and compare this to an old engine that was running on old gas, you can see an obvious difference," Mazor said.

The biggest difference between today's gas and the gas sold 15 years ago is the removal of lead. Taking out the lead, and developing effective catalytic converters to more completely burn emissions, have radically cut pollution.

The major oil companies each have a magical-sounding name for their gasoline and tout its superiority over other brands. The difference is the additives or the amount of detergent added to the gas that comes from the refinery. The benefit of these additive packages is lost to most drivers, who simply fill up at the gas station with the cheapest prices or the one for which they carry a credit card.

Does a gas expert like Beard have a preference when buying gas? "I just watch the light on the dash. After it has been on for a day I get nervous and go to the closest station available."
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I got worse mpg with mid-grade.....better with 87
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I am cheap guy, so I use 87 and my car run very well and never use premium gas. Open the book, you will see it's written there, I don't own 07 but 05. I was told that I can use premium gas occassionally. From PetroCan to Esso to Shell to Sunoco to Pioneer, whatever is cheaper I use.
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Since manual says 87 and up I use 87. But I know for fact that there is performance differance between 87 and 91. When it comes to take care of my car I spend what neccesery I use mobil 1 full syntetic and k&n oil filter. Since I drive 100 miles par day I am not going to use 91 .
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I recently purchased an 07 Camry i4 LE and was told by the sales representative that premium gas would better suite the car and show "much better performance". LATER as I took my car back to the dealer for maintence, the technician said the 07 Camrys were designed for 87 gas and wouldnt make a difference if premium gas was used. Now im confused and seeking for everyones opinion. So whats better for my 2007 i4 LE baby?
Sales idiots are idiots who will tell you anything. Usually, they don't even know half of the stuff you can read for yourself in the sales brochure.

The technician was right -- the car is designed for regular 87. Putting anything higher than that in is just pouring money down the toilet.
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87 is what the car is built for, so use your logic and reasoning.
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I use 91 and an occasional 93 if I'm not near a Sunoco station.
The $4-$5 extra cost per month won't bankrupt me.
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