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We just bought a 2009 Camry and it makes this same zipping noise when started in extremely cold weather. It only last for a couple seconds, but it's pretty loud and not normal, esp. for a brand new car. We took it by the dealership and left it overnight and since it warmed up to the 30's, they didn't here it. It has done it in weather 20 and below. We will be dropping it off this weekend and leaving it overnight since the weather will be dropping to zero on Sunday night. So hopefully we'll get an answer. Has anyone gotten an answer yet?
We just bought a 2009 Camry and it makes this same zipping noise when started in extremely cold weather. It only last for a couple seconds, but it's pretty loud and not normal, esp. for a brand new car. We took it by the dealership and left it overnight and since it warmed up to the 30's, they didn't here it. It has done it in weather 20 and below. We will be dropping it off this weekend and leaving it overnight since the weather will be dropping to zero on Sunday night. So hopefully we'll get an answer. Has anyone gotten an answer yet?
Read this entire thread, or just mine #87. It is normal, it won't hurt anything. Once again, my 100k + Corolla makes the same noise when starting below 10 degrees F, and it still has not caused ANY problems.
Has anyone heard anything new form their dealership about this cold start noise?
Mike
I just picked my 2009 Camry up from Toyota for making this noise. The technician heard it and he said that it is normal and all the Camrys do it when started after sitting in extreme cold weather. Very strange that they would do that in only cold weather and nothing be wrong. But that's what they say.
I just picked my 2009 Camry up from Toyota for making this noise. The technician heard it and he said that it is normal and all the Camrys do it when started after sitting in extreme cold weather. Very strange that they would do that in only cold weather and nothing be wrong. But that's what they say.
As I said before, it perfectly normal. My old 99 Corolla also makes the same noise. Don't waste any more time worrying about it.
Yep, my LE V6 also does the same thing. I sounds like the starter does not disengage quickly enough after the engine fires, thus the starter motors starts spinning at engine speed, which is probably much higher than the starter motor speed and thus the winding noise. The arm in the starter motor that engages the starter motor gears to the fly wheel probably loses its ability to disengage after starts. Probably due to reduction in viscoscity in the lubricant that is used to keep these parts moving from an engage position to a disengage position. I am not a mechanic, but i stayed at a holiday inn recently!!
I finally after several attempts to replicate this sound at the dealer had a day cold enough. I went out with the tech, demonstrated the sound, and he said it was completely normal, his toyota does the same. Some ice buildup he said on cold days, assured me it was not going to damage the starter. I suggested the starter may get stiff in the cold and not release properly, but he didn't think that was the issue. They have assured me that this is well documented in my file, if anything comes of it, they'll know about it. Hope this helps all who have this issue. A fix would be great, hopefully the engineers will solve this as new toyotas should not have these quality issues, especially those who have 2009's, these bugs should be all worked out.
"Some ice buildup he said on cold days, assured me it was not going to damage the starter."
Just curious. Did he say where exactly this ice was building up? The starter, the flywheel or some place else? I had a tech listen to it on my car and he said it was the hydraulic timing belt tensioner taking a split second to build up oil pressure.
Mike
Last edited by Mike Gerber; 02-28-2009 at 10:51 PM.
I finally after several attempts to replicate this sound at the dealer had a day cold enough. I went out with the tech, demonstrated the sound, and he said it was completely normal, his toyota does the same. Some ice buildup he said on cold days, assured me it was not going to damage the starter. I suggested the starter may get stiff in the cold and not release properly, but he didn't think that was the issue. They have assured me that this is well documented in my file, if anything comes of it, they'll know about it. Hope this helps all who have this issue. A fix would be great, hopefully the engineers will solve this as new toyotas should not have these quality issues, especially those who have 2009's, these bugs should be all worked out.
As I've said before, my old '99 Corolla does the same thing since new, and still has the original starter at 108k miles - don't worry about it.
No, I don't think it means every thing is ok. This is just the response you would expect from the Toyota and the stealers (aka, dealers). I think that Toyota is the next GM. They let success get to their heads and don't appreciate feedback from their owners.
No, I don't think it means every thing is ok. This is just the response you would expect from the Toyota and the stealers (aka, dealers). I think that Toyota is the next GM. They let success get to their heads and don't appreciate feedback from their owners.
I've said it many times but once again, my old Corolla has been making that noise on a cold start from day one, and it still has the original starter motor 10 years and over 100k miles later. Why worry about it??
Toyota is NOT the next GM in my opinion. Toyota did admit a year or two ago that they were not happy with their recent quality issues, and they said they would solve the problems. Do you really think that the company that wrote the book on quality would not be able to correct their issues?
What a joke! I am not at all surprise to see Toyota in this mess. They became big and complacent and blinded by their success. Even more tragic is that they apparently didn’t have a plan in place to handle something like this – what a lack of value for their brand and their customers. They will have to hire some risk managers and fire some of those field technicians that have attitudes and don’t listen to their customers - I experienced this indifference first hand when trying to resolve a vibration problem with my 2008 Camry LE V6.
Funny, actually trying to compare Toyota with GM. It will take a lot more than recent quality issues to undo 30 + years of top notch quality and reliability. Sure, the reputation will take a bit of a hit, but enough to drive me to domestic garbage which they are trying to promote. Domestics have always trailed in reliability, Chrysler would be even worse. Anyone insane enough to trade their Toyota for a GM (or any domestic), haven't you heard of Honda, Nissan and Subaru??
Wake up call? Absolutely, when you are at the top, the only place to go is down. Handle it right, take care of this parts issue and don't count on this juggernaut staying down for long. I bet they won't come crying for taxpayers money either.
You may want to check what your warranty covers. I called my deaership and the starter is NOT part of the engine believe it or NOT...Try $298 for just the part
I have a 4A-FE motor in a Carina E 1.6, which has2 issues--- bendix gear sticks when it's below 2 degrees celcius, but is thrown back after 6 seconds or so... I need to investigate the correct temperature resistant grease, as this willresolve the problem.
Squealing belts in minus degrees (here in DK it's-17 celcius)....if you can't work on the car due toextreme temps, can be resolved by pouring coke on the pulley wheels. Sounds daft, but it works - gives the missing traction back to the belt. Be sure to tighten the belts when the weather warms up, as this is just a quick work-around.
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