5th & 6th Generation (2002-2006 & 2007-2011)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 2002-2006 & 2007-2011
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My solution to the flare is simply to give the car a nice heavy accel run for the first run. I noticed that when I take it very easy on the gas the car tends to hesitate in the shifting a bit and ends up flaring occasionally.
I have TC007-07 applied and it solved the problem at first and then one morning with an easy accel run I got a 1-2 flare about 5 times!!! Gave it a heavy accel run and then problem solved. I guess I am trying to avoid the tranny thinking to much... just give me raw power!!! Not an engine specialist but this approach works for me.
Has anyone else noticed that if you give the engine a nice accel run the first time u start the engine that the car tends to be more responsive throughout the driving experience until u shut off the engine?
I think you may be on to something.. I have had minor "Flare", I like to call it SLIP!, from about 2K miles, I recall running it pretty hard in the early miles. Since then I have more than 18,500 miles on it now. Prior to the TSB applied I had consistent 3-4, 4-5th. slip somewhere around 300 RPM. Since the TSB Flash the first week had inconsistent slip more so in the 4-5 gear. I took it back, the service rep. said to drive it for a week. I did. It got better. Since the flash, and 1500 miles I have only experience two very noticable slips of 500 rpm., and a couple much smaller slips. Those slips were in traffic on and off of the throttle. It seems that if you "drive it like you stole it" it performs better.
It seems that if you "drive it like you stole it" it performs better.
Sort of... We all need to go back to the original problem, "oil starvation." This is why the car slips, be it an actuator, low fluid, or a clog... The same result occurs, a poor shift, actually a slip. Hotrodding the car only masks the issue and it's not doing much good for the other componentry (ie. brakes, tires, engine, etc.).
I'm cool with the car hanging up on a gear during warmup, I'm not cool on sudden thumps over which I have no control in the shifting sequence.
I still say that if the "flare" doesnt get worse or shorten the transmissions life excessively, it's something I can easily live with. I just dont want 100K miles to come and all of a sudden all the tranny's start to lose 3rd gear or something.
Wanted to give an update on my 2007 Camry XLE V6 (build date 09/06 Kentucky - purchased Feb 2007).
After 2 tranny replacements (April and September 07) and 1 ECU reflash (Sep. 07), my car still has about a 500-800rpm shift flare. I finally contacted a lemon law attorney and a few days ago Toyota agreed to buy back my lemon. Hooray!
If you have a lemon, don't give up. Get everything documented when you visit the dealerm, don't let them railroad you and get a lemon law attorney.
How much is the attorney going to cost you? Depending on how much it is, you may almost be able to trade in the car for the same price (well, maybe not quite, but you get the point). It sucks that we would have to resort to a lawyer to get Toyota to do the right thing...
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2007 LE V6 Magnetic Gray, JBL, Moonroof, Toyota Leather Shift Knob, Toyota All Weather Mats, SE Grille, Wheelskins cover
2007 Odyssey EX (traded in 05 XLE I4 Lunar Mist)
I find it incomprehensible that after all this time, the issue is not fixed. Toyota is very, very rich company, with a stellar history of producing excellent designs and near bulletproof technology. How does this type of thing happen?
The only thing I can think of is the transmission has an inherent design flaw that is impossible to fix without a major redesign. Software updates are only going to mask the problem, and from the looks of it, a "new" transmission will do pretty much nothing.
How much is the attorney going to cost you? Depending on how much it is, you may almost be able to trade in the car for the same price (well, maybe not quite, but you get the point). It sucks that we would have to resort to a lawyer to get Toyota to do the right thing...
Actually, all the lawyer fees are paid by the manufacturer in a lemon law case (in this case by Toyota). So, I don't have to pay any money out of my pocket for the lawyers. You gotta like that!
Interesting. I'm glad things worked out for you. I've got the tranny flare too, but it doesn't look quite as bad as yours appears to be. OTOH, I park my car inside and I've yet to see any real cold weather in Texas since I bought the car. Either way, I can't imagine dumping my car the way it is driving today.
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