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Old 02-01-2008, 10:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Traded I4 XLE for V6 SE!

Folks,

Yep, believe it or not, I've joined you street racers and green-light burnouters (if you remember all of my posts about the V6 ), and I've jumped into a new V6 SE. In, of all colors, Barcelona Red:



You might recall my blue I4 XLE -- down in my signature, still. Got it on the first day my local dealership sold its first allocation of sixth-generation Camrys.

And, you might recall that I was generally happy with my XLE, with one exception -- I just found my driver seat very uncomfortable. I just felt it was "hard and bumpy" -- like I was sitting on rocks, instead of in some nice, cushy, comfy seat.

In fact, I spent at least TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS going to "my upholstery guy" -- a guy who operates out of a mobile truck at my dealership, and others. Oh, he was a masterful guy. 27 years of experience. WONDERFUL work. But, we tried and we tried and we tried, and usually wound up just making it worse, and chasing the problems we made down. We finally put it pack pretty close to 'normal,' and I tried to live with that.

I also spent at leat ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS on "aftermarket seat cushions" and other things, like tools to whittle away on one of the old "seat cushion pads" we tried to use.

Nothing really worked that well -- the aftermarket cushions are a nuisance, espencially when you've paid for fancy leather seats. The next thing I was going to try was to get the SE seat cushion pad -- the big, formed chunk of foam that you really sit on -- and the leather seat cover plus seat heater that goes over it. That would have been around $1,500, plus a couple of hundred to install it all. I've generally felt a lot more comfortable in the SE seat than in my XLE seat, so that seemed to be the next big step to try.

But, I wasn't going to spend that dough without "driving an SE" to see if it really did feel good while driving. So, after spending the morning a week ago at the local auto show, I decided to stop at a dealership on the way home to take a test drive.

So, I stopped, and started scouting around for an SE. Of course, I had a sales guy following me in pretty short order. All they had were V6's, and he was game to go for a test drive, so off we went! I wanted to drive a V6, anyway, to see what all of you people have been talking about.

Well, dang, that's pretty nice, isn't it? I never considered the SE in the past, because I wanted "quiet, smooth ride" instead off kidney-pounding "handling." But, we went over a street with expansion strips every ten feet, we went over quite a few different pavement conditions, and the ride wasn't that bad at all. Plus, we went along a country road that had some twisties and some elevation changes, and the handling was great fun.

Of course, the sales guy wanted to sell me a car, and I was game to let him see what kind of deal he could come up with -- I could always walk away. So, "let's kill an afternoon," eh?

Obviously, the deal was done, and off I drove with the SE. So, let's move on -- what was it about the SE that led me to bail out of the XLE?

Well, here goes:

1. The SE seat. Hands down. I've had "lots of bolstering" in previous cars, and I guess I really, really prefer it. The XLE has essentially "none." The SE is just an entirely different seat. I find it a LOT more comfortable -- more "padded" feeling, fine bolstering, and just far more "form-fitting."

2. Interior color. The XLE had the "bisque" color -- as light as you can get. My previous cars have had dark interiors, even full black. Oh, I thought the light-colored interior was very "Lexus-like," and a neat change. For at least a month or two. Afterward, it was very simple: I prefer black over anything else, and my next car will have a black interior. And it does:



I'm quite happy with it.

3. Three-spoke steering wheel. I guess the XLE was my first "four-spoke wheel." It drove me nuts! I guess for most of my adult life, I must have had three-spoke wheels, and my usual position while cruising on the freeway is grabbing it with my left hand, right on the left side of the lower spoke, where it meets the actual wheel. Kind of "like the tiller of a ship," I suppose. But, you sure can't do anything like that with the four-spoke wheel! So, I'm very happy now that I can actually steer the car the way I have always preferred to.

4. The V6 engine. Yeah, it's pretty nice, isn't it! Along with the six-speed transmission, it's a very impressive drivetrain. I suppose it goes without saying that the power is abundant and effortless, but that's not what grabs me so much -- it's more how the V6 is much quieter all the time than the I4, and I guess just the extra heft of it all truly transforms the ride of the car.

Those are the main things. In the end, what I found just remarkable is the change in the ride compared to the I4 XLE. The V6 SE just "soaks up the bumps" like the I4 XLE couldn't even begin to do. I swear, the difference between the I4 and the V6 is virtually along the same lines as the difference would be between a Corolla and the I4 Camry. Just day-and-night different. It's like the I4 kind of "bounces around" down the road, compared to the V6 which feels PLANTED, and has the heft to soak up the road imperfections, rather than tranmitting them to the car's interior.

The handling, of course, is considerably better than the XLE -- while I thought the XLE was still quite competent, the SE is obviously far more tuned for handling than the XLE is. Yet, the ride is NOT rough and tough -- again, I found that it soaked up the bumps and road imperfections quite well. Perhaps it would be an entirely different story with an I4 SE -- I could see that getting much rougher. But, with the added heft of the V6, it's a combination of fine handling and an entirely comfortable ride.

I've been watching the tachometer, and I've seen nothing but competent, nearly-imperceptible shifts. So, it's an impressive drivetrain and an impressive combination of ride and handling -- "quite an automobile." I'm an older guy, "heading towards retirement," and my intent has always been for the Camry to be something I could drive into retirement, and for quite a while beyond then. No doubt about it, it'll be a much better time spent in this SE than it was in the XLE!

Enough droning on for now -- let me know if you've got any questions about the differences I've seen between the two cars, and I'll be glad to keep on going!
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The obvious question is, what did you get for the trade in and what did you have to pay for the SE
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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hey man, everyones just glad you didn't lose faith in the camry even though you weren't a big fan of your XLE. I love my I4 you love your NEW V6, everyones happy in this scenario. Now trick that shit out!
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nice write-up (actually read it all). First of all, congrats on the SE V6! In my selfish view, the Camry should only be sold as an SE V6 or a Hybrid - none of that 4-banger "LE" stuff.

This is such a "nice" car - kind of makes you wonder if you didn't steal it or something for that kind of money.

Now, go BMW hunting. Do you know how embarrassing it is for a Bimmer guy to get overtaken by a "sleeper" Camry?!

About the seats...I've personally been quite the opposite of you. I've always been scared of sport seats - anything that had serious bolsters. On my Camry SE V6, for the first time I appreciated the sport seats and the added support. I've sat in all sorts of seats - in Sport Package-equipped Bimmers, Audi S4, etc. The Camry SE seats are by far some of the most comfortable car seats I've ever sat in.

Anyway, congrats again! Always good to see someone join the "dark V6 side."
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The obvious question is, what did you get for the trade in and what did you have to pay for the SE
Hehehehe. I'm not one to "publish numbers," but let's see what meat I can toss out:

Final price for the SE was right around 10% of the sticker price less than the sticker. I haven't even done any research to find out what "invoice" actually would have been, but I thought it was a pretty decent deal. The SE has essentially everything short of navigation -- leather, heated seats, JBL system, auto-dimming mirror plus homelink, etc.

XLE was kbb "good" condition with low mileage (less than 15,000), right off of the web site. It was a fair assessment -- the car had a bit more wear than "excellent" would allow.

Otherwise, there was no "packing" at all -- I got the Toyota Platinum extended warranty at a decent price, and that was it.

That ought to give you enough to "do the math."
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Old 02-01-2008, 10:58 PM   #6 (permalink)
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hey man, everyones just glad you didn't lose faith in the camry even though you weren't a big fan of your XLE. I love my I4 you love your NEW V6, everyones happy in this scenario. Now trick that shit out!
Well, at one point during "the deal," I said to myself, "Hey, wait a minute!! I could have ANYTHING for this kind of money! What am I doing getting into another Camry?!?" I only took it on a test drive to try the seat, that's all....

But, I had just been to the Auto Show, and I checked out everything from the new Saturn Astra to BMW's 3-series. Seat-wise, there wasn't much that I really thought would have been better than the SE seat, and that was almost entirely in more expensive cars. I was pretty impessed with the Altima coupe's seat, but I won't have a god-awful Altima sedan, I don't want a coupe, I don't want a CVT, and I've never liked Nissan. Nothing else in the price range really stuck in my mind, otherwise.

And, the Camry has all that attracted me to it in the first place -- Toyota quality and reliability, the right size and practicality, and so on. So, I certainly spent quite a bit of time thinking about alternatives that I could have chosen, but in the end I decided that this was a fine thing to do.

As for "tricking it out" -- highly doubtful. I've never even had tinted windows before, and I'm not likely to do anything different with the wheels and such. Tint is something I'd kind of like to do, but I'm up in rainy Oregon, so we only have about a month of "really" hot weather, and plenty of rain and dark skies -- I've always thought in terms of not cutting my visibility, rather than going with tint. Maybe someday....
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Great stuff. Welcome to the V6 party!! BTW love the red
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congrats, saw a red SE the other day and it had me staring (i always stare at SE's)
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Old 02-01-2008, 11:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Oh, and when you go to the store, here's how you park your brand-new red SE:



I think I got far enough away from the other cars this time....
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Well, I tried to talk to the "warden" about upgrading to an SE, and she said no...

Looks like I will be modding this LE into the fine mold that I want it to be. (which is fine with me)...But the extras of an SE woulda been nice too.
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Oh, and when you go to the store, here's how you park your brand-new red SE:


I think I got far enough away from the other cars this time....
that doesent always work, one time i went to the mall and saw a 2 seater saturn parked way off by itself with a shopping cart on the door.... wtf was a shopping cart doing at a mall's parkin lot?
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Nice & congrats but dont make it too easier for the thieves now.
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congrats, saw a red SE the other day and it had me staring (i always stare at SE's)
Ya me too...I always stare at SE's.
BTW...congrats on ur New Camry. Nice color and I'm digging the Black Interior.

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Very nice! Congrats on your purchase. I love SE handling.
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