5th & 6th Generation (2002-2006 & 2007-2011)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 2002-2006 & 2007-2011
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I have had 4 cylinder Camry's since 97. Have one with 200,000 miles on it. My 07 with 20,000 miles is the only one that consumes about a quart of oil every 2000 miles. I thought it would get better as the car broke in, but has not. Is it common for new Camey's to do this? I am not sure what to think about this issue. I have not had to carry oil in the trunk of my car since I stopped buying Fords/GMs/Dodge POS. Not sure I want to go back to "the good old days".
I have had 4 cylinder Camry's since 97. Have one with 200,000 miles on it. My 07 with 20,000 miles is the only one that consumes about a quart of oil every 2000 miles. I thought it would get better as the car broke in, but has not. Is it common for new Camey's to do this? I am not sure what to think about this issue. I have not had to carry oil in the trunk of my car since I stopped buying Fords/GMs/Dodge POS. Not sure I want to go back to "the good old days".
Doc
The same has been happening with my 07 LE I4 as well. I purchased my car in october of 06 and things have still been the same. I'm nearly at 19,500 miles and I've been wondering if this was normal. I'm going to take this up to my dealer. Plus I've already opened a case with toyota about this issue. Let me know if anything turns up on your end.
It's not a good thing but I doubt that a new engine is in your future. Generally the limit is around a quart in 800 miles and clearly you aren't there. I'm wondering, have you always used traditional dino oil and if so what grade, and are your miles primarily city or highway, and if highway, what is a normal speed? I tight engine will burn oil at highway speeds. If you are using the zero weight, might try changing to 5 or 10w to see if it improves. The old wives tale about switching out to synthetic too early might have some merit.
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2007 V6 Camry LE, Built TMMK 27 September 06
"People who think they know it all are particularly irritating to those of us who do."
As stated in previous threads, that is within normal limits for oil consumption.
Changing the oil weight (5W or 10W) as stated above will not have any influence on the oil consumption as the weight of the oil when warm will be the same.
This also has nothing to do with changing to synthetic oil too soon either.
Here we go again and again and again......................
Ruby dicky strikes again! mind your own freakin` business.
As for Oil Consumption. I only check my oil every 2 weeks but seems like its the same. I had the car for 2 months already and its getting service from the dealership.
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What is it about...Stance? Flushness? Stretch? or Pokin Out?
He was just stating that this topic is frequently covered...
A search would have shown that.
I know that it was covered because i use the search option. The problem is, his sarcasm always gets into my nerves. i hate the know-it-all kinda of an atitude.
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What is it about...Stance? Flushness? Stretch? or Pokin Out?
Yes I read about it. I can and do search. Possible I should have asked a more direct question. How often does this occur?????? Is this we see a lot??? Is it possible that consumer report is right? Camry came off their list. Is Ford building a better car???? Is that possible???
Also is your considered opinion that it is a ring issue or a value stem issue. Does anyone know why?
Yes I read about it. I can and do search. Possible I should have asked a more direct question. How often does this occur?????? Is this we see a lot??? Is it possible that consumer report is right? Camry came off their list. Is Ford building a better car???? Is that possible???
Also is your considered opinion that it is a ring issue or a value stem issue. Does anyone know why?
I would like some thoughts on this.
Doc
Not often in Toyota vehicles. It's more common in the domestics.
Consumer Reports took the Camry off of their list because of the Gen 6 V6, not the I4.
No, Ford isn't building a better car.
My opinion is that the oil is going past the rings and that it won't ever hurt anything.
If there an issue with the rings then it will be an issue because of blow by and/or the valves will carbon up. Variations of this size is an issue I would think any car company should worry about. Yes the v6 was taken off. I guess it is time for the I4 to follow. Do not get me wrong I am not mad at Toyota any more than I would be of GM.
It appears time for a change up. I will lose 2 or 3k in a trade and Honda get me as a customer. No ego here just do not have time to re-live the 80's again. Anytime you have to resort to carrying oil in your trunk it is time for a change. The only reason I have been buying Toyota's is I have no issues. I just want to go and come without the hassles of the 80's and I lazy.
I am not after another engine. Why would I want another? Why would anyone.
However I will go to the dealer and ask and report back here. If I have the time maybe write a letter but to me Toyota must be well aware of the "variations" .....it has.. what they choose to do that is of more interest to me as the "variations" tend to become the norm the more lazy they get.
Lived to long to spend my time on variations for this kind of car. Valuations are for the GT-R Skyline 2009 or Twin-Turbo ed RX-7's R2 94 or a 69 Hemi Dart.
You could pop the pistons out, lightly hone the cylinders, mic them and rering with the appropriate size. I don't know how many parts each oil scraper has. Maybe 2, maybe 4. If four part, the ring gaps might have been lined up in error. Who knows? In any event, if you are using 0w20, humor us all by changing to a 5w20 or 10w30 for a couple thousand miles and see if the consumption changes. Valve stem seals or guides should not even be an issue, but if they were you'd be sing a big puff os smoke when you first start the cold engine.
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2007 V6 Camry LE, Built TMMK 27 September 06
"People who think they know it all are particularly irritating to those of us who do."
I am using 5-20 now. I will try 10-30 next. If I were a guessing man I would say the rings will not or have not seated. Valves I do not think it is the valves either. It would be a trick to get the rings miss aligned. There are pins for placement as a key. They do not float to my knowledge. Have never needed to tear apart a bottom end. Have done a head or two for friends. They never changed the oil. They did not change so I stopped doing it for ever.
That's a really bad idea. The engine isn't made for that thick of oil and will probably just make it worse. Newer engines have tighter tolerances which also require thinner oils.
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Originally Posted by doc-1
If I were a guessing man I would say the rings will not or have not seated. Valves I do not think it is the valves either. It would be a trick to get the rings miss aligned. There are pins for placement as a key. They do not float to my knowledge. Have never needed to tear apart a bottom end. Have done a head or two for friends. They never changed the oil. They did not change so I stopped doing it for ever.
Will keep all posted.
You are doing exactly that, guessing. You've also guessed wrong. The rings are seated. Rings are not pinned or keyed. They can spin and are not interference fit to allow them to move.
Usually the top end of the engine is the last to go due to lack of oil changes. The top end requires the least amount of oil and many times oil restrictors are used in high performance applications to keep excessive amounts of oil from the top end. I'm not seeing how lack of oil changes caused your the head problems that your friends had, because it's so extremely rare. You must have been guessing again.
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