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Old 06-18-2008, 03:10 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The reviews that mansion snow say they don't do so well. I don't have much $ so can't have many type of tires. I need to rotate my OEM tires. Done it once when it was around 10K miles.. now it's 42K miles. Am I right that for the front wheel drive the rotation should only be switching the front the back wheel only (not the crisscross)?
My understanding is that if you have directional tires (which many performance tires are), you should only swap front to back. If they are not directional, crossing them should be fine but I don't know many shops/people that do that anymore. Most everyone I know always just swaps front to back no matter what tire type they have (as long as they are the same sizes, of course).
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My understanding is that if you have directional tires (which many performance tires are), you should only swap front to back. If they are not directional, crossing them should be fine but I don't know many shops/people that do that anymore. Most everyone I know always just swaps front to back no matter what tire type they have (as long as they are the same sizes, of course).
When doing front to back, U don't need to re-align them right? just like changing a flat right?
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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When doing front to back, U don't need to re-align them right? just like changing a flat right?
You won't need an alignment after rotation.
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O ya.. I forgot the reason why I hadn't done the rotation in a long time. One of the rear tire is patched. Patched tire always should be in the back.
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O ya.. I forgot the reason why I hadn't done the rotation in a long time. One of the rear tire is patched. Patched tire always should be in the back.
I disagree, the worst or unreliable tires should be on the front as you have the steering to stay in control, if you have a blow out on a rear tire, the rear end will go were it wants.
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I disagree, the worst or unreliable tires should be on the front as you have the steering to stay in control, if you have a blow out on a rear tire, the rear end will go were it wants.
I disagree respectfully, sir. Patched tires should be in the back. Steering should always be available.

What good are two inflated rear tires when you cannot steer the thing properly up front?
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I disagree, the worst or unreliable tires should be on the front as you have the steering to stay in control, if you have a blow out on a rear tire, the rear end will go were it wants.
you're kidding right?
the worst and unreliable tires should be on the front to stay in control???
ON A FWD??? you have got to be joking.

jeez man, the worst and unreliable tires SHOULD BE OFF THE WHEELS AND CAR then!!!! w.t.f.
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From several people I know that have worked at tire shops and one that designs tires, they seem to indicate that a car with patched tires isn't significantly less safe than a normal tire unless you are racing the vehicle, carrying a heavy load, towing something, or otherwise using the vehicle in a non-traditional way.

I guess the concern is that the front tires tend to take a heavier load than the rear tires on any car due to shifts in weight and momentum during turning and braking, and there is even greater pressure on those tires with a FWD car. But if a front tire did blow (whether it was patched or not), braking performance AND steering would suffer significantly. Getting to safety could be more difficult if you needed to swerve or turn.

However, if a rear tire blew (barring any really strange things happening), the front tires would be just as effective steering and braking as always except for the slightly added stress of one less rear brake helping with stopping the car. But since the rear brakes take only about 15-30% of the overall brake load, this is not huge. Plus this is only one of those two rear brakes meaning a loss of about 8-15%. The other rear tire will still keep the car aligned on the road unless you are a driving surface with poor traction such as ice or wet roads.

The other factor, of course, is the height of the vehicle itself. If you have a car with relatively low center of gravity and a tire blows, the part of the car with the blown tire will tilt due to the lack of support from the tire itself. But a Celica with a low center of gravity will tilt considerably less than an Tundra that may have a much higher center of gravity. When a vehicle tilts considerably, that may lift the tire that is on the opposite corner off the road which could severely inhibit your ability to steer and brake.
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