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hey guys, i own a 2005 toyota camry le, and i have the stock 6 speaker system non-jbl, and thinking to upgrade the whole entire system since stock is good, but at loud volume its junk. Since the dash speakers are 3 1/2in and the ones that i found that will fit in the area are only 30watts rms, would it just be better if i get a component speakers and have the two tweeters where the two dash speaker was?
hey guys, i own a 2005 toyota camry le, and i have the stock 6 speaker system non-jbl, and thinking to upgrade the whole entire system since stock is good, but at loud volume its junk. Since the dash speakers are 3 1/2in and the ones that i found that will fit in the area are only 30watts rms, would it just be better if i get a component speakers and have the two tweeters where the two dash speaker was?
it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish, and how much you want to spend....
if you want to go cheap you can just replace the door speakers with components, (the tweeter and mid built into one) and replace the rears and it will sound much much better...
or you can go balls out, and get a top of the line head unit, get tweeters in the dash, mid's in the door, component 2-1 in the rears, power all the speakers with a separate amp, have an additional amp for the subs, and you can happily go deaf with clear crisp sound.... again it depends on what you are trying to accomplish and how much you want to spend....
but generally, if you get quality speakers, and replace the stock paper speakers, it will sound better...
What size are the stock door speakers?
I'd suggest fitting a good set of two way splits in the front (midbass in the doors, tweeters in the dash). Set the fader all the way to the front or unplug the rear speakers completely. These drag the sound stage way to the back of the car, disabling them brings it in front of you where you want it. (Give it a try with the stock ones).
The next thing to do is install an amplifier for the front speakers, this will make a MASSIVE difference to the sound, especially when playing loud cleanly. If you're really keen you can put sound deadening all through the front doors (Dynamat is good).
well im planning to spend no more than $600-700 on speakers and amps, and around $1k on the sub system seperatly. I would like the sound quality to be as good as possible, probably going to go with mids in the doors and tweeters in the dash and 2-1 in the rear powered by and amp, how welll and how loud will the tweeters be if mounted in the dash where the stock 3 1/2in speaker would be? would it be louder and clearer than the stock?
well im planning to spend no more than $600-700 on speakers and amps, and around $1k on the sub system seperatly. I would like the sound quality to be as good as possible, probably going to go with mids in the doors and tweeters in the dash and 2-1 in the rear powered by and amp, how welll and how loud will the tweeters be if mounted in the dash where the stock 3 1/2in speaker would be? would it be louder and clearer than the stock?
are you planning on changing out the headunit too??
are you planning on installing it yourself, or having someone do it??
if you are doing it yourself, for that kind of cash you can have a bomb ass system... if you spend 700 just for 6 speakerss and an amp!!
this is what I would do....
2-3 hundred for a nice 6 channel amp...(that way everything will have nice power to it! the rest for some nice speakers that can handle the amp rating on the amp,
swap out dash speakers for tweeters, doors for mids, and you won't need components for the rears... if you get them for the front....
if you want components on the rears, than you need a sub for the lows...
if you do it right... and give everything enough power... the tweeters and mids in the front, will give you nice clean sound, and the rears, will be for the lows....
(if you are running a thousand watts into some really good speakers, you won't need an amp and a sub...you can get a bazooka tube or something cheaper!)
but i would also recommend dropping 2-3 bills on a nice headunit, so you can adjust the sound levels to your liking for each of the speakers, i.e. high's lows etc....
or walk into a shop, tell them you want a bomb ass system start from the top and work down... with what you can afford...
edit: yes it should be louder and cleaner than stock... if you look at the rear deck speakers... the cone is made out of paper.... so getting some nice speakers will definitley help...
also... so you don't spend money on shit you don't need... start from the basics...
try swapping out the head unit then speakers .... going from simplest to hardest..
edit 2: the last system i worked on was for my brothers trooper... he has over a 1400 watt system ... you feel pressure on your chest with that shit cranked up... but that is a lot of power... and you have to do it right capacitors and all....
but he spent less than 1200, he was really careful, and tracked down deals... he got infinity speakers all around and 2 jbl 12 inch subs in a mirrored box... and i bought him the head unit for christmas... all said and done... he spent about 900... all new inbox equipment... but he did stuff, like buy the amp models from previous year... close out deals... etc etc... so with the head unit i got him everything was around 1200 hundred...
Well loudness and clarity isn't really a function of speaker placement. In fact it's largely dependant on the power given to the speakers. The standard head unit when driving the speakers directly puts out somewhere in the order of 13W RMS on each channel, and it does so not very cleanly (I'm assuming the standard system doesn't have an amp?). When an amplifier (whether the one built into the head unit or an external) is forced to work beyond it's limits (such as hitting low bass notes at higher volumes) it "clips". This is where the top and bottom of the waveform is cut off, creating a square wave. Clipping causes very noticable distortion and will damage your speakers. On a car stereo running off head unit power (such as a typical standard one) it usually can't manage much volume at all before the built in amp runs out of puff and distorts. A typical small aftermarket amplifier puts out around 60-70W RMS, providing vastly more headroom, so the speakers can put out sound that is much louder and crisp.
In my Corolla I had a high end Alpine head unit, a small 2x70W amplifier powering some Clarion splits in the front (mids in doors, tweeters on top of the door, where the mirror adjuster would be), a 12" sub in a custom ported box running from a 1000W RMS Clarion amp. I bought much of it second hand and I installed it all myself. The end result produced massive low bass and the fronts played very loud before they started breaking up. I got sick of it after a while as was quite a sharp and bright system to listen to, making it very fatiguing (but it did sound good on well recorded music). But it was fun and got me into car audio.
If you dead keen on keeping speakers in the back, I'd suggest leaving the factory 6x9" speakers in there and connected to the head unit. Upgrading these will make virtually no difference from the driver's seat and will only take funds away from the front speakers (where it matters).
If you dead keen on keeping speakers in the back, I'd suggest leaving the factory 6x9" speakers in there and connected to the head unit. Upgrading these will make virtually no difference from the driver's seat and will only take funds away from the front speakers (where it matters).
Oh are you looking to have it installed or DIY?
thats true, but it will sound funky if sitting in the back lol...
I agree with Asteroid on this...
As I recommended try the easier stuff first.... a nice head unit will put out substantially more power than the stock unit... but since your speakers are getting old and made of paper.... increasing power to them, they will be more prone to tear rattle etc....
and if the headunit alone is not enough sound for you...
if you wire up the components in the front with standard speakers in the back with a good amp, lots of power going to each of the speakers, you might not even need the subs.....if you want a little more kick, you can get like a 600 watt single channel amp to a bazooka tube... (costs lots less then a sub system.. but the sound will clean and clear....we have all sat in cars with crazy subs... but the sound is just dirty as hell....) but you don't want to use components speakers in the back, i dunno what kind of music you listen too... but i like bass.... if you're rocking celine dion or bette midler.... you can get away with rocking components... lol...
but hip hop, or house... will just not sound right!!
the mid and tweeters won't provide that good heart thumping bass for you....
edit: i too no longer rock crazy systems... lol... i guess i no longer listen to my music that loud... I used to rock two no name subs 400 watts each one wired to its own individual amp... and 600 watt 4 channel to my speakers... component 2 in 1's in the front and regular speakers in the back... it was loud... lol.... but then again that's what i was going for... lol... my current stereo system is stock... lol...
well i would love to my sound system to thump and have tons of bass with-out having a sub if that is possible, what speakers would you guys recommend me? i listen to alot of rap and hip-hop, so there for i like tons of bass.
I disagree with James399 about "the tweeter and mid built into one". The tweeter don't really care for size but the bass does and it need a large area to do it. I think these all in one will fall short comparing to the components with separate pieces.
I disagree with Asteroid too. No matter how good the receiver is... if the speakers can't handle it.. it won't deliver that nice sound to your ears. The receiver has a range that it can produce, and the same with the speaker. If one of them fall short, you will get the short. The rule "Shit in = Shit out" applies.
So...a good component set + good head unit to drive it. Amp is extra of cause if you really want the deep bass.
With tweeter, I don't think it matter much so you can use your stock instead of trying to install the new tweeters.
If U do install the Amp, be careful that it'll draw more power than your car can produce. Nothing more funny than an all sup-up sported but sit on the side of the road cause the car died.
yes i know it will draw more power, i just want a really really good speaker sound system that will be able to produce really good low bass with out getting distorted, instead of installing a sub
I disagree with James399 about "the tweeter and mid built into one". The tweeter don't really care for size but the bass does and it need a large area to do it. I think these all in one will fall short comparing to the components with separate pieces.
So...a good component set + good head unit to drive it. Amp is extra of cause if you really want the deep bass.
With tweeter, I don't think it matter much so you can use your stock instead of trying to install the new tweeters.
If U do install the Amp, be careful that it'll draw more power than your car can produce. Nothing more funny than an all sup-up sported but sit on the side of the road cause the car died.
Enjoy
lol... uh actually we agree....
i wrote that if i were to do it, i would get tweeters for the in dash, mids for the doors, and regular speakers in the back... i also recommend getting the amp, for the speakers, if you want it to be really really clear and clean... but i also think you should change out the stock tweeters, cuz they will be cheap, paper, and if you put too much power to them, upgraded head unit or amp...etc... the sound will distort, the speakers will start to rattle and eventually tear... i agree with you, cheap in cheap out... i also warned about the power draw, definitely will need a capacitor or 2 depending on how much power you plan on pushing...
to the op... if you want the thug life bass... upgrade your head unit, upgrade your speakers, get a 6 channel amp to power all the speakers or a 4 channel (for the components) and a 2 channel (for the rears),
if you get a 1200 watt 6 channel amp, it will be about 200 watts per speaker, etc etc... with that much power going to your speakers it will be clean and clear... and then you can get a 600 watt single channel amp, with a single 12inch sub or a bazooka tube... and it will be plenty.... loud enough to be illegal in california, and make you go def... lol....
also when buying speakers make sure they are rated for more than the power your are planning to put to them... i.e. if you plan on putting 200 watts per speaker, make sure it is rated to like 300, better safe than sorry i say...
in terms of brands... i like
headunits: i like the pioneer premier series, I've tried a bunch and I like the adjustability and cost... i.e. they have multiple preamp outs, aux inputs etc... very user friendly, simple, clean reliable...
speakers: kickers, jbl's, infinitys, rocksford fosgate, are probably in your price range.... you can get much nicer ones.. but its a camry not an aston martin....
amps: kickers, pioneer, alpine... etc...
what i try to do is get the name brands on sale... they are usually quality, and come with better warranties... but mind you, if you do self installation, you can pretty much kiss the warranty good bye...
also when wiring an amp... make sure you get the proper gauge wire, appropiate fuse, and capacitors... and if you have no idea... start doing lots of reading... or pay someone who knows what they are doing to install it for you... the last thing you want to do, is drop a g, and fry everything...
personally, i like the pioneer head units... jbl or inifinity speakers... and kicker subs.... for amps, i like soundstream (but mucho expensivo),
yes i know it will draw more power, i just want a really really good speaker sound system that will be able to produce really good low bass with out getting distorted, instead of installing a sub
dude don't worry about the power draw... there are things you can get to safe guard against killing your battery...
go capacitors...
if you want what you mentioned above...
get the headunit... upgrade all your speakers, get a nice amp to power the speakers... then if you want more oomph then you can get a small amp, that will round out the sound.... get the sub (or bazooka tube) and amp last...
if you do it right... you will have the best sounding stereo... maybe not the loudest.... but the best sounding... people generally don't get amps for their speakers... (which i dont get) because if you are going to have subs that loud, you might as well make sure the speakers can keep up no??
i say drop the jbl sub and get a Jl 12w3v3, as for amp you can get something in a range of 300 watt rms for yours speaker( 4 channel) and get a little mono amp for your subwoofer. Alpine have pretty decent price for amp and for the wire kit and rca, you can get cheaper one, i like stinger pro rca and wire.
In my car i have a 6 channel Jl A6450 for my mid and high and a lil Jl E1400 mono for my Jl 12w3v2. Its not the loudest but it sound great.
uh looks good, do yourself the favor and get the 12 inch sub... bass frequency is optimized at 12 inches....
also have you thought about mounting the sub on a swivel arm on the back of the rear seat... the trunk will act like a sub box...
you also don't need 4 gauge wire for 700 watts, you can use 8 gauge... also you don't need a capicitor that big....
also for the wires, go to any stereo shop, they will sell you the fuse relay and cables for 15 bucks.... and the long power wire you can get for a couple of bucks in any hardware store...
personally,
i would ditch the 5 channel and get a 6 channel (roughly 600 watt), and a separate single 600 watt amp.... much cheaper, you can probably get both for about 400 bucks.... i would go for the 12 inch sub on a swivel arm...
edit: i was typing... but loud camry is right on the money!!!
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