Remote Car Start

[bigguy136]

Hi all,

I've done some searching and I'm suprised that I didn't see much on this topic.

I have a 2009 Camry SE. I would like to add a remote car starter but everything I see wants me to keep a key next to the ignition switch. Is there any aftermarket systems that will work without using an extra key?
Anyone add the OEM system?

Thanks, BG

[MrJones]

Most Toyotas after 2005 have an engine immobilizer built into the system. It requires the transponder chip to be in the key chamber for the car to turn over properly. The remote starter kits require a transponder chip to be incorporated into the system for the remote start to work properly. If not, the car will not turn over.

I'm sure the OEM kit has the same set up.

[sex_&_TRD87]

Originally Posted by saybakgung

Most Toyotas after 2005 have an engine immobilizer built into the system. It requires the transponder chip to be in the key chamber for the car to turn over properly. The remote starter kits require a transponder chip to be incorporated into the system for the remote start to work properly. If not, the car will not turn over.

I'm sure the OEM kit has the same set up.

right on! to my knowledge, you cannot have "remote start" without an extra key in the ignition bc if u think about it, how else would u get it to start remotely?

[bandit]

Originally Posted by bigguy136

Hi all,

I've done some searching and I'm suprised that I didn't see much on this topic.

I have a 2009 Camry SE. I would like to add a remote car starter but everything I see wants me to keep a key next to the ignition switch. Is there any aftermarket systems that will work without using an extra key?
Anyone add the OEM system?

Thanks, BG

Originally Posted by saybakgung

Most Toyotas after 2005 have an engine immobilizer built into the system. It requires the transponder chip to be in the key chamber for the car to turn over properly. The remote starter kits require a transponder chip to be incorporated into the system for the remote start to work properly. If not, the car will not turn over.

I'm sure the OEM kit has the same set up.

Originally Posted by sex_&_TRD87

right on! to my knowledge, you cannot have "remote start" without an extra key in the ignition bc if u think about it, how else would u get it to start remotely?

If you're using aftermarket remote start and alarm, you dont need to have a key. You do not have to give up your valet key at all.

All you need is a Directed Xpresskit XK05 Data Transponder Override. I have a remote start with alarm (Viper 5701). I bought that and gave the shop my XK05 that I bought off eBay. I still have my valet key.

I was going to get the OEM remote start but after reading that if you remote start your car, unlock the door and open it, the engine stops.

[sex_&_TRD87]

Originally Posted by dcemureviews

If you're using aftermarket remote start and alarm, you dont need to have a key. You do not have to give up your valet key at all.

All you need is a Directed Xpresskit XK05 Data Transponder Override. I have a remote start with alarm (Viper 5701). I bought that and gave the shop my XK05 that I bought off eBay. I still have my valet key.

I was going to get the OEM remote start but after reading that if you remote start your car, unlock the door and open it, the engine stops.

interesting....well if thats the cause then ill admit that i was wrong

[08SeCamry]

dcemureviews


he is correct. I have had the New Clifford 3.3 Matrix remote start on my 08 camry se for 5 months now. All you need is the XK05 and then you will not need the extra key. Remote start is the only way to go. It's the best especially down here in Houston,Texas when its 95 degrees outside and when you get to your car its nice and cool

[DonnyBoy]

Thats good to know, I thought the Viper alarms came with the override kit..
For price quotes I was getting, from different local shops here in NY

[bandit]

Originally Posted by DonnyBoy

Thats good to know, I thought the Viper alarms came with the override kit..
For price quotes I was getting, from different local shops here in NY

No Viper alarms come with override kit. You have to buy it separate just like you have to buy the trunk module and other parts separately.

I'm in Flushing, NY. I got my Viper 5701 installed for $490 including labor, alarm and trunk module. I provided the XK05 I bought on eBay.

The Viper 5701 works on manual transmission also.

[Drifta89]

Yeah I learned about the unit that doesn't require the valet key to remain in the car after I got my alarm and remote start installed. It works great but I wouldn't mind having my valet key every now and then.

I love the remote start though!

[mikeeboi75]

Originally Posted by bigguy136

Hi all,

I've done some searching and I'm suprised that I didn't see much on this topic.

I have a 2009 Camry SE. I would like to add a remote car starter but everything I see wants me to keep a key next to the ignition switch. Is there any aftermarket systems that will work without using an extra key?
Anyone add the OEM system?

Thanks, BG

Hey BG, I'll let you know everything I experienced with remote start alarms. I install mobile electronics for a living and I'll give you my best advice from my own experiences. There are five different remote starter alarms or keyless entry Viper alarms that I deal with on a daily basis. They are the Viper 160xv, 771xvr, 791xvr, 5900, and 5701. The 160xv is only a remote starter and keyless entry system, it has no alarm feature what so ever, the rest have some sort of alarm feature on them. The 771xvr I would not recommend to get just for the plain fact that the transmitting range is only about 50 yards in an open field (not counting going into buildings). On the 771xvr also, it doesn't show you physically if you locked your car, unlocked it, remote started it etc, like the 791 and 5900 does. Some times also on the 771xvr, you have to push the button several times to get your car to unlock or do what you want it to do. The 791xvr is probably one of the best alarms that I encountered yet. The only problems that I have seen occur, is the brain is bad from the start (happend only once so far). The 5900, I had complaints that the remote freezes or acts funny after about a month, and it doesn't allow you to do anything (unlock, lock, start, etc). When you do encounter this problem, to purchase another remote costs a lot even on ebay. The 5900 also has a delay from the time you press a button, to the time it takes to transmit to the car and back to the remote (usually about two seconds). That may not be a lot of time for some people, but for alarms like the 791xvr, it is almost instant. One plus that the 5900 has is the one mile range. Is it actually one mile? In an open field, YES!, but not in business districts or other high wave tranmission areas. The 5701 alarm is probably the newest to the bunch, and has mixed reviews of the extremes. Some people love the alarm, and some people just hate it. The transmitting range isn't that great, the remote is too soft to hear on beep mode, it is almost like the 771xvr in which it doesn't show you what exactly is going on with your car, and to light to feel on vibrate mode. On the up side, it is slim and cool looking.

What a few people said was true. To bypass the anti-theft device during remote start, you do need a bypass module. Probably the most commonly used one and the most realiable one, and the most preferred by most installers (including myself) is the XK05. If you don't have that, your car with either not crank at all, or just keep cranking until your battery dies.

If I would suggest one, I would probably go with the 791xvr or the 5900. They both tell you what is going on with your car, and are probably the ones with more pros than cons. It is totally up to you on which one you decide, but I'm just trying to help you to get to that point.

I personally am going to install the 5900 in my car with a backup battery siren, backup battery for the alarm, ultrasonic sensor, and a digital tilt sensor, including the shock sensor that comes with the alarm and all doors, hood and trunk triggers. I have a 2008 camry se, and it is my first new car that is my own, so I want to make it the hardest possible for someone to break into it.

I hope I was of some help to you and others, and if you need anymore questions answered, I'll be more that happy to help you out. Oh and a final note, THE ALARM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INSTALL!!! I can't stress that more, if you can see the wires or the BRAIN that says VIPER on it, I would suggest you to take the alarm back to the place you got it installed, and tell them to do it better. Cause if someone broke into your car, and they knew what they were looking for, you might have just as well give them the key yourself and tell them to take it. The factory look is always the best, it keeps the thieves guessing.

[bandit]

Originally Posted by mikeeboi75

Hey BG, I'll let you know everything I experienced with remote start alarms. I install mobile electronics for a living and I'll give you my best advice from my own experiences. There are five different remote starter alarms or keyless entry Viper alarms that I deal with on a daily basis. They are the Viper 160xv, 771xvr, 791xvr, 5900, and 5701. The 160xv is only a remote starter and keyless entry system, it has no alarm feature what so ever, the rest have some sort of alarm feature on them. The 771xvr I would not recommend to get just for the plain fact that the transmitting range is only about 50 yards in an open field (not counting going into buildings). On the 771xvr also, it doesn't show you physically if you locked your car, unlocked it, remote started it etc, like the 791 and 5900 does. Some times also on the 771xvr, you have to push the button several times to get your car to unlock or do what you want it to do. The 791xvr is probably one of the best alarms that I encountered yet. The only problems that I have seen occur, is the brain is bad from the start (happend only once so far). The 5900, I had complaints that the remote freezes or acts funny after about a month, and it doesn't allow you to do anything (unlock, lock, start, etc). When you do encounter this problem, to purchase another remote costs a lot even on ebay. The 5900 also has a delay from the time you press a button, to the time it takes to transmit to the car and back to the remote (usually about two seconds). That may not be a lot of time for some people, but for alarms like the 791xvr, it is almost instant. One plus that the 5900 has is the one mile range. Is it actually one mile? In an open field, YES!, but not in business districts or other high wave tranmission areas. The 5701 alarm is probably the newest to the bunch, and has mixed reviews of the extremes. Some people love the alarm, and some people just hate it. The transmitting range isn't that great, the remote is too soft to hear on beep mode, it is almost like the 771xvr in which it doesn't show you what exactly is going on with your car, and to light to feel on vibrate mode. On the up side, it is slim and cool looking.

What a few people said was true. To bypass the anti-theft device during remote start, you do need a bypass module. Probably the most commonly used one and the most realiable one, and the most preferred by most installers (including myself) is the XK05. If you don't have that, your car with either not crank at all, or just keep cranking until your battery dies.

If I would suggest one, I would probably go with the 791xvr or the 5900. They both tell you what is going on with your car, and are probably the ones with more pros than cons. It is totally up to you on which one you decide, but I'm just trying to help you to get to that point.

I personally am going to install the 5900 in my car with a backup battery siren, backup battery for the alarm, ultrasonic sensor, and a digital tilt sensor, including the shock sensor that comes with the alarm and all doors, hood and trunk triggers. I have a 2008 camry se, and it is my first new car that is my own, so I want to make it the hardest possible for someone to break into it.

I hope I was of some help to you and others, and if you need anymore questions answered, I'll be more that happy to help you out. Oh and a final note, THE ALARM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INSTALL!!! I can't stress that more, if you can see the wires or the BRAIN that says VIPER on it, I would suggest you to take the alarm back to the place you got it installed, and tell them to do it better. Cause if someone broke into your car, and they knew what they were looking for, you might have just as well give them the key yourself and tell them to take it. The factory look is always the best, it keeps the thieves guessing.

Yes, the 5701 is the newest of the bunch. It is also a 2-way spectrum..just like the 5900 but doesnt have the 1 mile range. It may not show you what is going on such as if the door is open, car started as it does not have a LED remote. But upon starting up the car, unlocking/locking the door, the remote will let you know if it was successful in doing so. If not, it will give you a buzzing sound.

With the 5701, you can find out the approximate temp in your car and find out how much longer you have in the remote start before it shuts down. Sound? Yes, the chirps on the remote arent loud but I dont want it loud. I dont want it to go off like a cellphone. Its small and its a remote. its the perfect tone for me if you're in your house or in a quite area. Obviously, you wont hear it if you're in a bar or in a mall.

Vibration? I dont have it on silent so I wouldnt really know about the strength of the vibration. Considering the size..it probably wont vibrate like a cellphone.

From what I've been told, the 5701 is the easiest to install. Its easier to install in manual transmission as well.

I bought the 5900 on eBay for $160 (Best Buy charges $500 for the 5900 and installation. If I just have them install, its $200. I save myself $140). But I decided to get the 5701 for $450 including install. Why? I dont need the 1 mile range. I can start my car and unlock the doors from inside the mall without a problem on the 5701. The remote is light and has LEDs. The 5900 comes with 1 remote and the 5701 comes with 2 (2way and 1way). The battery life on the 5900 is shorter than the 5701 not to mention, the screen can scratch easily. With the 5701, you got everything you need in regards to what you need straight from the box. Of course you'll have to pay extra for the bypass, tilt sensor, backup battery, etc. just like buying any other model. With the 5901, you'll have to buy a second remote, a case if you want to protect it and AAA batteries.

Viper is giving a free set of batteries for the 2way and 1 way when you enter the link that is included in the box. The batteries are watch batteries (CR2032 and CR2016). 2 way uses two CR2032 and 1 way uses one CR2016

[bigguy136]

Great advice guys, it's the info I wanted!

I've been watching ebay and with the temps here in Minnesota, I will be ordering the parts soon.

What is the "tilt sensor"?

Thanks, BG

[bandit]

Originally Posted by bigguy136

Great advice guys, it's the info I wanted!

I've been watching ebay and with the temps here in Minnesota, I will be ordering the parts soon.

What is the "tilt sensor"?

Thanks, BG

Alarm will go off if your car is tilted at a certain angle. Usually car alarms go off if door is opened without deactivating alarm. So if you have your car parked on the street or parking lot and a tow truck comes and lifts it or if someone takes a jack and jacks up your car to take your wheels, alarm will go off.

Theres are additional accessories or modules to add such as glass breakage, trunk module (pop trunk), backup battery, backup siren (if thieves cut the car battery or ripped out original siren speakers, it will still go off), window module (rolls down windows automatically with press of button). For the backup siren, you have one under the hood and the second one can be inside the air vent inside the car. Of course, all these will cost additional.

If getting these accessories, ask if labor is included as some may charge more

[mikeeboi75]

All right guys, I finally got to install the 5701. I have likes and dislikes about it from an installers point of view. The likes: there are two remotes, remotes are slim, wires are consolidated to one brain/module, easy to install on manual trans cars, and a lot more options overall. The dislikes: the brain is HUGE!!!! Try working on a car with limited space to hide the brain!!! IT SUCKED!!!! The led, valet button, and antenna are all one piece (I usually like to hide the valet button because for someone that knows what they are doing, they can turn off your alarm with the valet button). Overall, I guess its a good alarm. The remotes look high-end and one brain does make the install a bit easier (if you can hide and mount it). I tried the transmitting range on it, and I guess it depends on where you are. I tried it from one end of the parking lot to the other (~100 yards), and it worked fine. I tried it from indoors of a metal building on the second floor, and for some reason, it didn't work. I hope this helps.

[mikeeboi75]

Originally Posted by bigguy136

Great advice guys, it's the info I wanted!

I've been watching ebay and with the temps here in Minnesota, I will be ordering the parts soon.

What is the "tilt sensor"?

Thanks, BG

If you want to, get a digital tilt senor rather than a mercury switch tilt sensor. The mercury switch can only set the alarm off in one direction, and it will not go off if they lift your car even rate. For example; if some one lifts your car from the back and your tilt is purposed for the front, your alarm won't go off. The digital tilt senor is about five to ten dollars more, so I would strongly suggest you getting that one instead if you were thinking about it.