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Old 12-16-2008, 05:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Anti Toyota sentiment?

Anyone considering extra precautions? Anyone concerned?

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Sure, there is room for concern. I wouldn't park my car in a UAW lot right now. Having said that, the workers are frustrated and feel the need to take it out on someone and they direct their anger towards owners of vehicles built with non-UAW labor. What everyone needs to remember is that many of the UAW products are generally unserviceable from the factory and this isn't the fault of the assembly line workers. Rather, poor design and execution from upstairs results in a product that few people can trust. Remember, the same group of auto building laborers who build the POS Buicks are also building the high quality Toyotas and Nissans coming off USA assembly lines. The problem isn't the worker. It's product design.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the anwser is simple. BUILD A BETTER CAR GM/FORD/CHRYSLER!
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I have not read the article yet but I can imagine that the bailout requirement to adjust the union salaries to the average competitor salaries is not very popular. Not union plants, mostly Nissan, Toyota etc - you get the picture - pay 10-15% less to their workers.
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Backlash brews in wake of Big 3 bashing

Here's the article.



Backlash brews in wake of Big 3 bashing

George Hunter / The Detroit News


WOODHAVEN -- A retired autoworker is organizing a boycott of Alabama. An ubiquitous bumper sticker in Metro Detroit warns "Out of a job yet? Keep buying foreign." And last weekend, Woodhaven cops investigated a rash of vandalism on foreign cars.

After a month of Detroit-bashing in Washington and nationally, some say a backlash is forming among Metro Detroiters, annoyed by the attacks on their lifestyle and angry at their neighbors' choices of vehicles. Some fear that simmering resentment could turn to outright hostility.

"I'm afraid we may be about to see a rerun of a bad nightmare we lived through in the late '70s and early '80s," said Helen Zia, co-founder of the American Citizens for Justice, a civil rights group that serves Michigan's Asian-Americans. "We're in the midst of tough economic times, and when that happens you get scapegoating."

Most agree the current climate doesn't approach the open disdain in the 1980s and early 1990s, when workers used sledgehammers to destroy Hondas and Toyotas in union parking lots. But some worry that antipathy toward Asians could return.

In Woodhaven on Friday, someone punctured the tires of five foreign cars -- a Honda, Hyundai, Mazda, Toyota and Volkswagen -- and used a marker to scrawl "Buy USA" on the sides of the vehicles, in the lots of Lowe's and Kohl's stores near a Ford plant. A security camera captured a middle-aged white man defacing the vehicles, Woodhaven Police Chief Michael Martin said, who fears there could be more such incidents.

"It's a concern because of the struggles with the auto industry," Martin said.

And it's not just Michigan: In South Carolina, a Ford dealership began airing ads this month blasting Congress and claiming that Japanese cars are "rice ready, not road ready."

Frances Wang, executive director of the American Citizens for Justice, said she is worried someone may take the frustration one step farther.

"The next logical step from someone taking out their frustrations against a foreign car is, someone could take out their frustrations against a person who looks foreign," said Wang, whose group was formed after two laid-off autoworkers in 1982 killed Vincent Chin, a Chinese-American who the men mistook as Japanese and blamed for the loss of their jobs.

But Charles Hyde, a Wayne State University history professor, downplayed fears of a repeat of open prejudice against Asian-Americans of decades ago.

"You don't have someone like Lee Iacocca out there publicly bashing the Japanese for unfair trade practices," said Hyde, who has written books about the auto industry. "One thing the Japanese did to stop some of the political backlash was to move their production here. Now, they're employing a lot of Americans.

"I don't see the kind of public blaming of the Japanese for the situation with the auto industry," Hyde said. "It's pretty clear to people who know anything that the basic problem has been the collapse of the economy."

But some, including retired autoworker Joe Babiasz of Huntington Woods, do blame foreign competition for the state of the Big Three.

"Not enough people recognize the importance of doing the right thing for their country, which is to buy American," he said. "My dad, his brothers and his cousins all fought the Germans and Japanese to have what we have today. And with all respect to the German and Japanese people, I'm not going to give away everything my relatives fought for through the automobile industry."

The recent congressional hearings, in which Big Three auto executives unsuccessfully sought federal loans, prompted Babiasz, 58, to launch a Web site, www.boycottalabamanow.com, to dissuade people from visiting Alabama, where Hyundai, Honda, Toyota and Mercedes have plants. Opposition to the bailout was led by Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican.

"I watched those hearings in horror, as (Shelby) ripped the U.S. auto industry apart, so I set up the Web site in frustration," Babiasz said.

He believes many U.S. auto workers may share his frustration against foreign automakers -- and, perhaps, Asian-Americans.

"For the average 'Joe Lunch Box' who goes to work at the Big Three, there might be a lot of percolating resentment that could blow up," Babiasz said.

The situation has some who drive foreign cars re-thinking their decisions. More than a year ago, Jonathan Barlow, 24, of Detroit bought a used Lexus in part because of its gas mileage. Now, his next purchase could come from the Big Three.

"Most everyone in my circle looks to hopefully buy some type of hybrid in the near future from a U.S. automaker," said Barlow, a community organizer. "The choice before was what color would you prefer. ... But the thought now is: Who would you support?"

Detroit News Staff Writer Mark Hicks contributed to this report.
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^ too much reading

But i'm not worried about it...
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There is a reason why we buy Japanese cars... More aftermarket parts!!! Haha
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There is a reason why we buy Japanese cars... More aftermarket parts!!! Haha
Also they are built better, last longer, and are much more reliable.

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:27 AM   #9 (permalink)
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the anwser is simple. BUILD A BETTER CAR GM/FORD/CHRYSLER!
+1 Or at least build them as good as foreign cars for the same price. When that happen I will buy American cars.
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I have an American Car in my Garage as well....and even my Camry is built with US labor, so what is bad on that model?
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I'm young, so my views may be somewhat blunt, but here goes....

Who's fault is it that the big three are in shambles?? No one but themselves..They have known(as all manufacturers have) for some time that gas was going to get expensive, yet they made no attempts to make gas-friendly cars, instead, they made more trucks, and a hybrid Escalade....(what a joke.)

The foreign auto makers aren't exactly doing peachy, but they have made decisions early on that are helping them now...It is pretty clear that the higher-ups of most of the foreign-car companies know how to run a company, and have some foresight, whereas the big three clearly do not.
The big three was concerned merely about maximizing profit, with no thoughts for the future, few hybrid attempts, and little r&d work in the past 10-15 years... It's their own fault, and now because of their stupidity, either millions will lose their jobs, or the economy will take another turn for the worse, or both.

I think any logical American knows why this is happening and knows that it is not the fault of foreign car makers. If someone wants to get even, maybe they should vandalize some full-size suvs or something.. Perhaps if the big three had done some r&d work, the cars would be worth buying, but imo, why buy a "new" Camaro, when you can buy a 1972 model that has basically the same equipment? (This is only my opinion, and I have owned a Ford, and my family owns a Ford, an Oldsmobile, a Prius, an Audi, and a Nissan.)
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probably 95% of the Toyota's on the road are built by Canadian and US hands...just like GM Ford and Chrysler...

Just that Toyota's are more reliable and has the track record to prove it...better bang for the buck...
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:12 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Also they are built better, last longer, and are much more reliable.

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That's enough reasons but there are more. Many folks buy a new car long before the old one wears out and modern technology (fuel injection, electronic ignition, coil over plug, etc) means that all brands of cars are less trouble then they used to be. And frankly they last longer then most people want to be seen driving the same car. LOL !

Let's face it, most american cars are ugly or just boring. And they are way over priced for what you get. The only cheap ones are the ugly ones like they are trying to force you up the line (and price) to get any stlye. US makers have also tried to push everyone to buy a truck or SUV because that's the ones they make the most money on (read overpriced). So when gas hit $4 a gallon everyone freaked.

I think it's funny that US car makers have backed the big oil all these years by pushing gas guzzlers but when they need help not a peep out of big oil... they just sit there on the hundreds of billions they have (thanks to the SUVs) and wait for the taxpayers to bail out the auto makers. $!#@ that. Let the oil compaines bail them out.

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My "American" car was built in Canada. It's an import.

If they built quality products, people would buy them. They also have to be vehicles that someone would desire to own and drive.

This is just more proof showing how America is becoming a "blame is on someone else" society. Nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore. It's really becoming sad.
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Anyone considering extra precautions? Anyone concerned?

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...TO01/812160375
Is this even a serious question? A few isolated incidents and all of a sudden import owners across the nation should watch their rear view mirrors?

It must be a really slow news day.
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