5th & 6th Generation (2002-2006 & 2007-2011)Toyota Camry Discussion for years: 2002-2006 & 2007-2011
Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance all involving America's favorite family car, the Toyota Camry.
I test drove the Accord, Passat, and Camry, and determined the Camry overall was the vehicle I wanted to go for. I feel like I am getting the Lexus ES 350 (minus the ridiculous sound system and better leather/suspension) while also not having to spend over $22,000 more...
Currently the Blue Book Price of a new Camry XLE V6 with Navigation, Leather, Smart Key with Push Button Start, Vehicle Stability Control with Traction Control, and Heated Seats is about $28,600 or so, before taxes.
Purchasing a Camry here shortly will be my first ever new car replacing an old Crown Victoria that was given to me that is starting to develop transmission problems and unfortunately has cost me over $2000 in repairs in the last five months.
I want to be a new Camry owner at the right price! Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated.
Should I pull the trigger for this loaded Camry V6 XLE at $28,600 or am I overpaying with current market conditions for new car sales? This price is currently around $100 under invoice.
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I did talk to the salesman about purchasing a 2010... they won't be arriving until late March.
Are there any other major differences I am not aware of between the 2009 and 2010 other then the ones I am aware of below?
For the V6 model all that seems the 2010 has different then the 2009 to my knowledge is a USB port, and LED tail lights.
The introduction of Electronic Power Steering is the one that has me worried. I've heard really negative things about the Toyota Corolla with it on the 2009 models.
Is the 2010 really THAT worth it? I'd most likely be looking at a $40 a month payment increase due to the higher price.
The resale value of a 2009 Camry is expected to be 44% of the vehicle according to KBB in 2014. It doesn't seem like I'm missing out on much depreciation either plus the reliability of the current steering system.
I don't want to be a guinea pig for anything new that has previously had problems or has a good chance of causing them, if that is the case with any of the changes to the 2010 model. I plan on driving this car for a very very long time.
In my opinion 28.6 is a lot of money for any Camry. I would buy pre-owned and save lots of $$. What did you NOT like about the Accord? Hondas are sportier than Toyotas. Test drive them again. Also, 18 mpg in the city is just plain ridiculous for a Toyota (big heavy car not even a performance sedan). Have you considered a Corolla? better price, better mpg. Camrys don't hold their value. I bough mine in 06 for 17.5k and is now worth 10k, talking about losing money. "cheaper to keep her". Good luck with your decision.
wait until the 2010 camrys start to arrive, and the dealership will be willing to make big deals on remaining 09's....youll get a better deal that way because the dealers will be trying to liquidate remaining 2009 inventory.
you can find great deals on toyotas, you just have to shop around a bit
I did talk to the salesman about purchasing a 2010... they won't be arriving until late March.
Are there any other major differences I am not aware of between the 2009 and 2010 other then the ones I am aware of below?
For the V6 model all that seems the 2010 has different then the 2009 to my knowledge is a USB port, and LED tail lights.
The introduction of Electronic Power Steering is the one that has me worried. I've heard really negative things about the Toyota Corolla with it on the 2009 models.
Is the 2010 really THAT worth it? I'd most likely be looking at a $40 a month payment increase due to the higher price.
The resale value of a 2009 Camry is expected to be 44% of the vehicle according to KBB in 2014. It doesn't seem like I'm missing out on much depreciation either plus the reliability of the current steering system.
I don't want to be a guinea pig for anything new that has previously had problems or has a good chance of causing them, if that is the case with any of the changes to the 2010 model. I plan on driving this car for a very very long time.
What I don't like about the Accord is how the interior was laid out. The "button heavy" description on the big car websites like Edmunds and KBB describe my quips with the interior. Otherwise I enjoyed the vehicle. I certainly wouldn't be a loser in buying one. I'm sure it would last forever and the car would have slightly better resale value. The payments would be significantly more though since the car is more expensive then the Camry due to the incentives.
There are currently no incentives on any EX-L offering for the Accord.
The Corolla has much higher resale value then the Camry but the interior is not up to my standards for what I'm looking for in a car. I've also read about major complaints with the new Electronic Power Steering system on the vehicle, which also makes me worry about purchasing a 2010 Camry which will have EPS.
If I had $50,000 I'd buy the Pebble Beach Edition of the Lexus ES 350 right now. (unfortunately I don't). That is my dream car. Getting the Camry with the navigation system gives me the touch screen radio and the fancy technology I can use to sync up my BlackBerry right there on the LCD all working together with the steering wheel controls. It feels to me almost exactly like the Lexus!
That's the kind of car I want to drive for the next eight years if I had too and the type of purchase I am making.
Currently I've been offered $100 under invoice for the XLE V6 with Navigation loaded including the $1,500 rebate. I know I can get that price down a little bit more if I tried...
but if I really wait a month, can I really pick up my dream vehicle another $1000 off or more? Otherwise, I have an old domestic car with 157,000 miles on it suffering from transmission problems and I'm sick of dealing with it and how much it is costing me in repairs.
What I don't like about the Accord is how the interior was laid out. The "button heavy" description on the big car websites like Edmunds and KBB describe my quips with the interior. Otherwise I enjoyed the vehicle. I certainly wouldn't be a loser in buying one. I'm sure it would last forever and the car would have slightly better resale value. The payments would be significantly more though since the car is more expensive then the Camry due to the incentives.
There are currently no incentives on any EX-L offering for the Accord.
The Corolla has much higher resale value then the Camry but the interior is not up to my standards for what I'm looking for in a car. I've also read about major complaints with the new Electronic Power Steering system on the vehicle, which also makes me worry about purchasing a 2010 Camry which will have EPS.
If I had $50,000 I'd buy the Pebble Beach Edition of the Lexus ES 350 right now. (unfortunately I don't). That is my dream car. Getting the Camry with the navigation system gives me the touch screen radio and the fancy technology I can use to sync up my BlackBerry right there on the LCD all working together with the steering wheel controls. It feels to me almost exactly like the Lexus!
That's the kind of car I want to drive for the next eight years if I had too and the type of purchase I am making.
Currently I've been offered $100 under invoice for the XLE V6 with Navigation loaded including the $1,500 rebate. I know I can get that price down a little bit more if I tried...
but if I really wait a month, can I really pick up my dream vehicle another $1000 off or more? Otherwise, I have an old domestic car with 157,000 miles on it suffering from transmission problems and I'm sick of dealing with it and how much it is costing me in repairs.
I am not going into the cost discussion (often advertised rebates have a lot of fine print..) but you do should consider that the government looks to introduce either a tax deductible program on new car purchases or a financial discount if you trade in your old car, which will be taken off the streets. Either program, if approved, saves you a few 1000's on a 30k car. Just a thought.
The senate recently passed the ability to deduct sales tax and interest payments on new vehicle purchases made this year. I am definitely buying a car this year and this is only an added perk.
I really hope there's no BS fine print on the Toyota rebate. To my understanding I either choose a special financing rate of 2.9% for 36 months, 3.9% for 48 months, or 4.9% for 60 months OR I get $1,500 off the purchase price of the vehicle.
You know, maybe the 2010 is best for me financially. It's the introduction of EPS in the vehicle scares me.
Toyota is definitely better then the rest in terms of quality but even if the Corolla has had steering issues last year what can lead me to believe the Camry wouldn't suffer from a higher likelihood of problems with a new steering system too?
It scares me and it makes me feel like I'm being a guinea pig if I go with the 2010. Do I have just cause to be afraid and to think like this or am I overreacting?
What I don't like about the Accord is how the interior was laid out. The "button heavy" description on the big car websites like Edmunds and KBB describe my quips with the interior. Otherwise I enjoyed the vehicle. I certainly wouldn't be a loser in buying one. I'm sure it would last forever and the car would have slightly better resale value. The payments would be significantly more though since the car is more expensive then the Camry due to the incentives.
There are currently no incentives on any EX-L offering for the Accord.
The Corolla has much higher resale value then the Camry but the interior is not up to my standards for what I'm looking for in a car. I've also read about major complaints with the new Electronic Power Steering system on the vehicle, which also makes me worry about purchasing a 2010 Camry which will have EPS.
If I had $50,000 I'd buy the Pebble Beach Edition of the Lexus ES 350 right now. (unfortunately I don't). That is my dream car. Getting the Camry with the navigation system gives me the touch screen radio and the fancy technology I can use to sync up my BlackBerry right there on the LCD all working together with the steering wheel controls. It feels to me almost exactly like the Lexus!
That's the kind of car I want to drive for the next eight years if I had too and the type of purchase I am making.
Currently I've been offered $100 under invoice for the XLE V6 with Navigation loaded including the $1,500 rebate. I know I can get that price down a little bit more if I tried...
but if I really wait a month, can I really pick up my dream vehicle another $1000 off or more? Otherwise, I have an old domestic car with 157,000 miles on it suffering from transmission problems and I'm sick of dealing with it and how much it is costing me in repairs.
1. For $50k, you've never seen a GS?
2. The Camry has lots of power train problems. I don't really expect mine to last forever. They aren't made like they used to be.
3. The Accord is the ugliest thing ever, forget about it.
4. VSC/TC is standard on 2010 models. It will also look different/upgraded and will retain higher resale than the 2009 (no doubt about it).
5. Having a synced up BlackBerry with the car working with the steering wheel controls sounds like a wonderful dream. Just a dream though.
The senate recently passed the ability to deduct sales tax and interest payments on new vehicle purchases made this year. I am definitely buying a car this year and this is only an added perk.
I really hope there's no BS fine print on the Toyota rebate. To my understanding I either choose a special financing rate of 2.9% for 36 months, 3.9% for 48 months, or 4.9% for 60 months OR I get $1,500 off the purchase price of the vehicle.
You know, maybe the 2010 is best for me financially. It's the introduction of EPS in the vehicle scares me.
Toyota is definitely better then the rest in terms of quality but even if the Corolla has had steering issues last year what can lead me to believe the Camry wouldn't suffer from a higher likelihood of problems with a new steering system too?
It scares me and it makes me feel like I'm being a guinea pig if I go with the 2010. Do I have just cause to be afraid and to think like this or am I overreacting?
The Camry has had the EPS since 2006. It's on the Hybrid model.
2. The Camry has lots of power train problems. I don't really expect mine to last forever. They aren't made like they used to be.
3. The Accord is the ugliest thing ever, forget about it.
4. VSC/TC is standard on 2010 models. It will also look different/upgraded and will retain higher resale than the 2009 (no doubt about it).
5. Having a synced up BlackBerry with the car working with the steering wheel controls sounds like a wonderful dream. Just a dream though.
I'm an ES guy! I've driven nearly all the Lexus vehicles and I love driving bigger cars.
The 2009 XLE V6 already comes with Vehicle Stability and Traction Control. Yes it doesn't have the cosmetic 2010 differences... those would be nice.
But man, the gas mileage will still be the same. That's really all that matters to me is how this thing is going to run. And then I gamble on betting on a brand new electronic steering system being introduced for the vehicle will work flawlessly.
That is my main concern! And not overpaying too. Do you really think the 2010 Camry is going to hold half it's value after 5 years because of some LED tail lights and a USB port? Are there other differences I am not aware of?
Otherwise in my opinion I don't feel convinced there is much depreciation difference.
I've also been told EPS has been on the RAV4 too. Which gives me some hope it will perform fine and last me a loooong time.
But when it was put on the Corolla, it has veering problems from what I've gathered.
Again, the gas mileage is basically still the same between the 2009 and 2010.
So is it really worth it... or again, am I overreacting?
I do have to run to church now but I can't thank everyone enough for the fast responses and insight on what to do!
Who cares about fuel economy?
Like I said, if you want something super reliable down the road, I don't think the Camry is for you anyway. See all the V6 problems people have in this forum. Latest one appears to be oil leakage.
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