2001 camry LeV6 vs. 2004 bmw 325xi

[Gen3cruiser]

3.also .. they are only slightly "heavier" because of the extra parts in an AWD but the weight will not make a difference

Dude, the AWD in the xi series add 220 lbs. Thats not exactly a small amount of weight.

Yeah, the xi has better take off due to extra traction and power distribution, but the weaker engine and heavier car will cause it to lose, but only by .25-.5 sec. If it was a manual or the standard 325i it would win hands down.

.unlike what everyone said.. AWD will not make it slower... (also..at the moment i read this posting that i forgot my friend who has a WRX told me this once..) that with all the wheels working together.. that you get better accerlation .. therefore better take off... and it has better traction ..

I got news, AWD makes any car slower. Due to additional weight and greater loss of power to the wheels. Front wheel driven car( which the camry is) have the least amount of power lost to the wheels, RWD cars are second best, and AWD have the greatest power loss. About a 10% differenc of power loss from FWD to AWD.

Heres an example.

The 2004 Nissan Altima make 245hp at the crank, and 204 hp at the wheels. A 17% loss of power. Now the 350Z with the makes 287 hp, and 231 hp at the wheels, 20% loss.

Now look at the Subaru WRX 2003, the one your friend speaks so highly of. It makes 237 hp at the crank, and get this, only 171 hp at the wheels, nearly a 28% loss of power! Better check with your friend twice, sure he's not invisiable?

So with these numbers lets do a calculation.

At a 17% loss of power to the wheels the camry has 194 hp at the crank, and 161 hp at the wheels.

Now the BMW with less power to start out with 184 hp at the crank, and a 28% loss of power ends up with 132.5 hp at the wheels.

Also factor in the extra 350 lbs the bimmer is carrying, and things don't look good.

The only thing the bimmer has going for it is the 5 speed auto, so the closer spacing helps out quite a bit, but not enough.

The only way and only time an AWD car is faster is on the beginning of a take off and accelaration out of corners due to increased traction and momentary greater amount of low end power getting to the ground. Other then that, I don't think
so.

And again, the published numbers for 0-60 times also gives the camry the win. 8.1 sec for the Camry, 8.6 for the 325xi.

This doesn't make it an automatic win, but you get the picture.

[SKYravefever]

[i]Originally posted by Gen3cruiser:

Now look at the Subaru WRX 2003, the one your friend speaks so highly of. It makes 237 hp at the crank, and get this, only 171 hp at the wheels, nearly a 28% loss of power! Better check with your friend twice, sure he's not invisiable?

But that doesn't keep it away from toasting the a Camry, even with the significant drivetrain loss in horsepower. To make things fair, let's not forget that the Impreza WRX weighs about a hundred pounds less.

Regardless, WRX does 0-60 in ~6 sec., while the Camry V6 does it in ~8 sec. I don't know about you, but the WRX is sure as heck -DRAMATICALLY- faster.

Don't bother trying to explain how the WRX had much faster times primarily due to its AWD configuration. Unless the Camry had terrible wheelspin, which is highly unlikely, it still cannot justify the 1-2 sec difference.

Oh yeah, one more thing, assuming that the 171 whp figure is correct, and the crank figure is 227 hp (not 237), that's a loss of 25%. A major problem nevertheless, but for clarity's sake.

[eecc]

correct me if im wrong, but arnt BMW's HP numbers are underrated?

[Gen3cruiser]

That was a typo, 237, thanks for catching that.

And I wasn't talking about the camry racing the WRX, just using that to show the loss of power with AWD and what similar loss with the BMW would produce. If you even read the post you'd know it's about a bimmer against the camry. I never said anything about it racing a WRX.

No way a camry would beat a WRX, 0-60 5.3 sec. Come on, you think I'm an idiot?

As for BMW, no there horse power isn't overated, look at the other eingines they make, they produce more hp then the 2.5l. m3 with 3.2l has 333hp.

[SKYravefever]

I was trying to illustrate that HP numbers from an AWD vehicle doesn't immediately mean slow. I read what you post, you mentioned it makes it slowER. I agree to a certain extent, but it doesn't make the vehicle SLOW.

[grapefury]

if you want to consider the bmw power to be underrated, think about this -> the number is somewhat overrated cause of the awd drivetrain and power loss

and this is about the bmw vs camry not the wrx.. i dont understand how that could've been confused over..

i could do a neutal 2k rpm drop to Drive.. ill guarentee a good blast off.. but i may mess up my tranny.. hehe not sure ill take that risk

[Fresco Bob]

^its not like yur racing for somthin serious there, so might as well not take that chance.

hurry up and race the guy so all this arguing can ed

[Gen3cruiser]

The number would only be overated on the AWD, or xi models, all other bimmers are RWD.

Just have the car in gear, on foot on the brake, the other on the gas so it's at 2000 RPM's. When you go, simaltaneuosly relese the brake and stomp the gas. That's how I get my best take offs in autos.

[grapefury]

hehe ill have to practice that a few times..

[CaNtKnEzGuy]

hey gen3cruiser...what i posted was just opinions ... but what i found offensive was how you replied to my post.. "Better check with your friend twice, sure he's not invisiable? ".. we go on toyota nation to talk and help each other out.. not to go around and diss each other... and did i ever diss you in any way or form?.. just think about that.. because i don't feel that i deserved that..

and to grapefury .. two things.. one if you didn't read my other post.. i basically.. told you the "technique" that gen3cruiser told you..but many post earlier and i believe i called it "brake-torquing" if you wanted to back track a couple pages... AND two.. jes run against your friend already like what everyone else is saying.. so you can end the "arguing"

[Gen3cruiser]

My bad, didn't mean to offend you that much , but it bugged me cause all that stuff you wrote wasn't opinion, it was all BS. If your friends telling you that then he doesn't know what he's talking about.

But the reason I gave additude is because of the reason you said yourself, this fourm is to help people. None of that info was true, and it wasn't helpful. It was all a bunch of crap.

So if you didn't know that your friend was ignorant to this subject then my apoligies.

[Nick]

oh good, you all made up