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Old 03-26-2009, 09:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Gen5 2002 Camry Transmission Flare?

I tried searching this up, and all I got were the 3-4 flares for the Gen 6 Camrys. The problem I have isn't that.

I have a 2002 Toyota Camry, with a 2AZ, automatic. When moving at about 5-10mph or so (without pressing on the gas pedal, coasting), and then pressing down to accelerate, the transmission seems to flare and jerk the car.

I would almost describe the feel as the transmission is engaging first gear for less than a second, before dropping into second.

The harder I press the gas pedal, the more pronounced this flare is. Is there some sort of problem with the transmission? Or is this because of the DBW? This one issue is making me hate driving the car, as I frequently encounter these circumstances.

What would cause the transmission to do something like this? Software issue? Is there some sort of TSB out for this? I tried resetting the ECU by disconnecting the battery, that didn't seem to help.

The Gen6 4cyl auto that my parents drive does not do this.

EDIT: Also, I forgot to say that sometimes the 2-3 shift, and the 1-2 shift, take about a second to shift. The RPM's pause while the car shifts, and although smooth, feels way too long and sloppy. Would there be anyway to adjust the shifting?
I know there is no kickdown cable on the DBW...

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It's 7-8 years old now. How many miles on it?
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It has 111k mi on it. Fluid is just starting to turn purple, should get that changed soon.

However, I used to own a 1996 Camry with 225k, and it shifted better than this.
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do a tranny service, see if it helps...
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I tried searching this up, and all I got were the 3-4 flares for the Gen 6 Camrys. The problem I have isn't that.

I have a 2002 Toyota Camry, with a 2AZ, automatic. When moving at about 5-10mph or so (without pressing on the gas pedal, coasting), and then pressing down to accelerate, the transmission seems to flare and jerk the car.

I would almost describe the feel as the transmission is engaging first gear for less than a second, before dropping into second.

The harder I press the gas pedal, the more pronounced this flare is. Is there some sort of problem with the transmission? Or is this because of the DBW? This one issue is making me hate driving the car, as I frequently encounter these circumstances.

What would cause the transmission to do something like this? Software issue? Is there some sort of TSB out for this? I tried resetting the ECU by disconnecting the battery, that didn't seem to help.

The Gen6 4cyl auto that my parents drive does not do this.

EDIT: Also, I forgot to say that sometimes the 2-3 shift, and the 1-2 shift, take about a second to shift. The RPM's pause while the car shifts, and although smooth, feels way too long and sloppy. Would there be anyway to adjust the shifting?
I know there is no kickdown cable on the DBW...
I assume you checked that the tranny fluid level is correct and you checked it under normal operating temperature (ie car drive a few miles) and while the engine is running. Properly fluid level is critical.
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did you check dogbone mount?
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did you check dogbone mount?
I did, and it was perfectly intact. No ripping or cracks or anything.

and I checked they transmission fluid level as well, it's okay I think, but maybe just a bit low.
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I did, and it was perfectly intact. No ripping or cracks or anything.

and I checked they transmission fluid level as well, it's okay I think, but maybe just a bit low.
When checking the fluid level, you need to ensure the engine is warm.
1. drive the car for a few miles
2. put the car in Park
3. Have the engine running
4. Run through all the gears, R, D, 2, 1, etc
5> Put it in Park (engine still running)
6. Check the fluid level. Fluid level needs to be in the HOT level.

Fluid level is critical!!!

Also, when was the last time you changed the Tranny fluid. Most tranny failur are caused by lack of fluid, too much fluid, or dirty fluid. The 2002 doesnt have any history of tranny problems, so i would start with checkign the fluid levels and quality of the fluild

If it's been 2 years or more, change the fluid.
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check tranny fluid,
otherwise, grounding to the electronics, i've seen poor grounds do similar things.
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I just encountered an unusual circumstance today...

I was running out of gas, so I filled up full, and the "flaring" went away. I'll see if it comes back when the car's empty again.

Funny I never noticed this before...
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If you decide to do a tranny fluid change, I'd recommend Royal Purple Max ATF, it's a good synthetic.. I'm going to be switching it in my own car soon.
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I just encountered an unusual circumstance today...

I was running out of gas, so I filled up full, and the "flaring" went away. I'll see if it comes back when the car's empty again.

Funny I never noticed this before...
Maybe your transmission's a bit dirty inside, which would explain your intermittent jerk - change the fluid, it is easy, exactly like doing an oil change. Just be sure to use only Toyota TIV fluid you cannot substitute Dexron or any other kind on 2002year Camry.

TIV is $5 a qt and you can only get it at the dealer. A simple fluid change without dropping the pan requires a 10mm male hex socket and exactly 3 qts of fluid to refill to the correct level.

If you decide to drop the pan (i usually dont as every time i have done so the strainer is still clean) you will need a gasket but probably not a filter, mine uses a metal strainer that can be cleaned, not a gauze filter like most other kinds of cars.

I have a 2002 V6 and i changed my fluid a couple months ago with some other valvoline kind that said "T IV compatible" and it is working fine. A couple dollars cheaper per quart too.

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In the past, I've changed the transmission fluid by draining it out through the cooling lines while simultaneously filling it up through the dipstick tube. Usually replaces about 10 quarts or so, so a much better alternative than the 3 from the drain and fill.

Would that work for the 2002 transmission as well?
This would make things a whole lot easier, as I plan on installing a auxiliary transmission cooler during the fluid change.
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In the past, I've changed the transmission fluid by draining it out through the cooling lines while simultaneously filling it up through the dipstick tube. Usually replaces about 10 quarts or so, so a much better alternative than the 3 from the drain and fill.

Would that work for the 2002 transmission as well?
This would make things a whole lot easier, as I plan on installing a auxiliary transmission cooler during the fluid change.
Cooling lines? Do you have a different method. Whatever you are doing does not seem to be the correct procedure. You basically, unscrew the drain bolt and let it drain for about 30 minutes. Once done, screw the bolt back on. fill with new tranny fluid, and check fluid level as mentioned before.

The way you do it sounds like you are changing brake fluid.

Where did you get the procedure from? Was it from a Toyota manual? Maybe the way you do it is causing air to getting the system or whatever but I've never heard this process before. You need to be very careful when changing tranny fluid and not to come up with your own method. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never heard of this method.
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Maybe your transmission's a bit dirty inside, which would explain your intermittent jerk - change the fluid, it is easy, exactly like doing an oil change. Just be sure to use only Toyota TIV fluid you cannot substitute Dexron or any other kind on 2002year Camry.

TIV is $5 a qt and you can only get it at the dealer. A simple fluid change without dropping the pan requires a 10mm male hex socket and exactly 3 qts of fluid to refill to the correct level.

If you decide to drop the pan (i usually dont as every time i have done so the strainer is still clean) you will need a gasket but probably not a filter, mine uses a metal strainer that can be cleaned, not a gauze filter like most other kinds of cars.

I have a 2002 V6 and i changed my fluid a couple months ago with some other valvoline kind that said "T IV compatible" and it is working fine. A couple dollars cheaper per quart too.
Wow, that is a bit risky. I always use Toyota, it's not worth the risk. Tranny repairs are just too expensive to save a few bucks.
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