6 speed manual transmission

[macz100]

I own a 2010 6 speed manual since March 2010. I have owned a 1994, 1998, 2001 Camry 5 speed. For the record my camry 2010 is exactly what I expected except for the 6 speed transmission.
If I Had another opportunity to purchase the car I would not buy it. In my opinion the 6 speed ECM Was tweaked for easy/effortless/lazy driving. The flywheel is heavy, there is Deceleration lag, acceleration lag thereby bucking consistently, the clutch is too soft.
I you wish to buy a 6 speed , I highly recommend that you thoroughly test drive the car.

[mingming]

Originally Posted by macz100

In my opinion the 6 speed ECM Was tweaked for easy/effortless/lazy driving. The flywheel is heavy, there is Deceleration lag, acceleration lag thereby bucking consistently, the clutch is too soft.
I you wish to buy a 6 speed , I highly recommend that you thoroughly test drive the car.

Did you like walk into dealer and just picked out a 6 speed without test driving it before you bought it?

[Cking]

Originally Posted by mingming

Did you like walk into dealer and just picked out a 6 speed without test driving it before you bought it?

LOL good 1.

Yeah why didn't you test it first..

[arabianobsession]

I own a 2011 SE 6 speed manual. Although it is not tuned to be a sports car, it's a Camry for crying out loud, there are still many opportunities to have fun with it. My best friend owns a 300zx twin turbo, a supra, and an IS300, and he is amazed at the things I can do with the Camry. He was shocked. He said he never knew a Camry could do half the things I put it through.

Yes, there is some lag, and that's to be expected with drive by wire systems, but you really have to know how to work it to get around that. I have never had any bucking problems, of course, my right foot is always planted down, so the car doesn't have the chance to do any of that.

No, like I said before, it's no sports car, but for it being a Camry, and a rather large, heavy car, it performs rather well. I have beaten many V6's out there with it.

[arabianobsession]

Also, another note, your last manual Camry was a 2001. I don't think you're used to the new drive by wire systems.....it does drive and act much differently from the old cable systems. And be grateful you didn't buy a manual Corolla....the system in that is a hundred times worse than the Camry.

[trdcamry1211]

i couldnt find a manual so settled for my 6 spd auto..i m a big fan of manual but my auto is pretty impressive....ill admit its not a race car more of a sports sedan...dont expect it to drive like a bmw or audi

[macz100]

mingming; yes i did test drive the car , i had waited six months for a 6speed SE but could not find one , so i settled for the non-SE . the test drive was OK , all the non-SE features i could live with , i stalled the car once but i thought i just needed to get used to the new 6speed tranny. the deceleration lag was so-so since the 98 had the same problem , but the 94 and 01 had no deceleration lag . the acceleration lag i did not notice until i drove it a few hundred miles and my wife stalled it as well on a red light turned green , she hates that issue and feels it is unsafe in case of an emergency. the drive by wire system in this car is acceptable in an auto tranny but in a 6speed , in my opinion is a DEAL BREAKER... " arabianobsession " i did not buy my 4th camry to learn " to know how to work it to get around that " . there are other excellent competitors out there.. i have been a loyal camry manual tranny owner for years but not when toyota and all it's world resources cannot make a competetive manual tranny. what is your opinion.?? should i keep the car..?? regards.

[MJZ]

Originally Posted by trdcamry1211

i couldnt find a manual so settled for my 6 spd auto..i m a big fan of manual but my auto is pretty impressive....ill admit its not a race car more of a sports sedan...dont expect it to drive like a bmw or audi

BMW? Nope. Audi? Yep. They make cheap ass FWD A3s and A4s that are slower and uglier than my car.

[MJZ]

Originally Posted by macz100

mingming; yes i did test drive the car , i had waited six months for a 6speed SE but could not find one , so i settled for the non-SE . the test drive was OK , all the non-SE features i could live with , i stalled the car once but i thought i just needed to get used to the new 6speed tranny. the deceleration lag was so-so since the 98 had the same problem , but the 94 and 01 had no deceleration lag . the acceleration lag i did not notice until i drove it a few hundred miles and my wife stalled it as well on a red light turned green , she hates that issue and feels it is unsafe in case of an emergency. the drive by wire system in this car is acceptable in an auto tranny but in a 6speed , in my opinion is a DEAL BREAKER... " arabianobsession " i did not buy my 4th camry to learn " to know how to work it to get around that " . there are other excellent competitors out there.. i have been a loyal camry manual tranny owner for years but not when toyota and all it's world resources cannot make a competetive manual tranny. what is your opinion.?? should i keep the car..?? regards.

hmmm couldn't you have just ordered a 6sp manual SE, they take like 1 month to make no?

No sense in keeping the car if you don't like it, especially if you can get rid of it with minimal loss.

I don't mind my 6sp auto that much, it's still a little autotragic but I can put it in first and it won't take off without the tires breaking loose

[macz100]

i tried to order the se 6speed at several dealerships but they were all hesitant and gave me muliple excuses ie: i want a deposit, you'll take delivery between 3 -6 months , pay full msrp . and by the way , i read another thread about 2nd gear problems, well , my 6speed did not have any noticeable problems in the summer but now that it is cold , going from 1st to second there a predictable 2nd notch the slows the shift.. after a few miles it disappears. My son has a 2002 fwd 5speed A4 and it is a blast to drive especially with the turbo but maintenance is expensive. i grew up driving VW's who knows maybe i'll defect.

[ImJustMe55]

Originally Posted by macz100

I own a 2010 6 speed manual since March 2010. I have owned a 1994, 1998, 2001 Camry 5 speed. For the record my camry 2010 is exactly what I expected except for the 6 speed transmission.
If I Had another opportunity to purchase the car I would not buy it. In my opinion the 6 speed ECM Was tweaked for easy/effortless/lazy driving. The flywheel is heavy, there is Deceleration lag, acceleration lag thereby bucking consistently, the clutch is too soft.
I you wish to buy a 6 speed , I highly recommend that you thoroughly test drive the car.

When did they start making ECM's for manual transmissions

Sorry that you hate the way you're car drives. All I can say is either get rid of it or replace the clutch and flywheel with more performance oriented ones and maybe get a braided steel clutch line. Those mods should fix the problems you're having if you want to go through with them.

[arabianobsession]

Originally Posted by macz100

i tried to order the se 6speed at several dealerships but they were all hesitant and gave me muliple excuses ie: i want a deposit, you'll take delivery between 3 -6 months , pay full msrp . and by the way , i read another thread about 2nd gear problems, well , my 6speed did not have any noticeable problems in the summer but now that it is cold , going from 1st to second there a predictable 2nd notch the slows the shift.. after a few miles it disappears. My son has a 2002 fwd 5speed A4 and it is a blast to drive especially with the turbo but maintenance is expensive. i grew up driving VW's who knows maybe i'll defect.

My trans does the same thing. Only when cold. I just baby it for the first few miles and then drive it normally. My 2007 Mustang did the same for Reverse....it's annoying, yes, but it's something you get used to. Like I said, the drive by wire systems are a lot different from the old cable systems.

Originally Posted by ImJustMe55

When did they start making ECM's for manual transmissions

Sorry that you hate the way you're car drives. All I can say is either get rid of it or replace the clutch and flywheel with more performance oriented ones and maybe get a braided steel clutch line. Those mods should fix the problems you're having if you want to go through with them.

Now that the 2011 tC is out with our trans I'm sure they'll make a TRD clutch soon. They made TRD clutches for the gen 5 Camry...it's only a matter of time! And then the performance should improve

[Frodo65]

Originally Posted by ImJustMe55

When did they start making ECM's for manual transmissions

Sorry that you hate the way you're car drives. All I can say is either get rid of it or replace the clutch and flywheel with more performance oriented ones and maybe get a braided steel clutch line. Those mods should fix the problems you're having if you want to go through with them.

The ECU calibration is different for auto and manual. The 'hang on to revs on upshift' is an emissions control strategy - rapid throttle movements play havoc on HC control and CO. Lighter clutch/flywheel won't help here - the ECU and its ETC (electronic throttle control) conspire to make the response less than satisfying.

[LynchburgCSI]

Originally Posted by macz100

I own a 2010 6 speed manual since March 2010. I have owned a 1994, 1998, 2001 Camry 5 speed. For the record my camry 2010 is exactly what I expected except for the 6 speed transmission.
If I Had another opportunity to purchase the car I would not buy it. In my opinion the 6 speed ECM Was tweaked for easy/effortless/lazy driving. The flywheel is heavy, there is Deceleration lag, acceleration lag thereby bucking consistently, the clutch is too soft.
I you wish to buy a 6 speed , I highly recommend that you thoroughly test drive the car.

Originally Posted by arabianobsession

I own a 2011 SE 6 speed manual. Although it is not tuned to be a sports car, it's a Camry for crying out loud, there are still many opportunities to have fun with it. My best friend owns a 300zx twin turbo, a supra, and an IS300, and he is amazed at the things I can do with the Camry. He was shocked. He said he never knew a Camry could do half the things I put it through.

Yes, there is some lag, and that's to be expected with drive by wire systems, but you really have to know how to work it to get around that. I have never had any bucking problems, of course, my right foot is always planted down, so the car doesn't have the chance to do any of that.

No, like I said before, it's no sports car, but for it being a Camry, and a rather large, heavy car, it performs rather well. I have beaten many V6's out there with it.

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[macz100]

i sent toyota corp in california an e-mail after my local dealership agreed with me that the acceleration lag was not normal. the regional toyota tech representative drove the car with me and agreed with me BUT there was nothing he could do because toyota had programed the ecm for deceleration lag. the the drive by wire is just to slow for a manual but ok for an automatic. the tech also told me that he could not adjust the idle because the ecm would not allow it. he also said the european toyotas do not have this problem, they just program the ecm to please US customers and that i should feel fortunate that i have the 2.5 engine because the 2.4 had issues on top of poor performance. he feels that the TC with the new 2.5 and 6speed would probably have the same characteristics as the camry. the final verdict by toyota corp is live with it.. does any one think that i might be able to increase the idle with a CHIP so i won't stall as much.?? thanks frodo65 for the input you verify what the toyota tech told me. i wait for a possible TRD option..