Standard Fog VS Projector Fog

[fukdomestic]

Hey guys,

I'm about to get things rolling on my 07 SE since the warmer months are ahead and so before I get my HID's I was wondering what you all think about the fog light situation.

I can't recall but I was told there's a Lexus model with fog projectors that could be somehow fitted. Does anyone have experience there and how that turn out was? I also found this link, don't know if it's a good quality piece or not: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROJE...Q5fAccessories

At the end of the day is it really worth the hassle to get projectors in there somehow?

[Mag Grey Toy]

i bought hella projector fogs and put them into my rock gaurds
i havent seen the comparison on them to reg fogs yet though
but i like my set up

[tengiday]

If you want to put HID in the fog lights, you should get some good projector fogs. Some of them are Blazer, Hella, and Ford Fusion. Blazer seems to be more popular because of its price and good HID taking.
Blazer projector: http://www.theretrofitsource.com/pro...04h8p1bc7ek43l
Then you do a retrofit, finding a way to mount and use it.

Please don't put HID in your "standard" fog since the fogs are reflector housing and can't handle HID.

[fukdomestic]

wow, sweet link there!

i still have to catch up to you guys and look into the retrofitting because i don't know that from a whole in the wall. i know what it is but to actually do it is a different story lol.

do you have those on your car? any pics?

[profuse007]

blazer fog is good choice for fog. Many have put HID kit into it but I haven't heard any long term review of it.

Blazer is not chevy blazer if you're wondering.

i have ES300 projector fogs( with 3k HID). love them compare with stock,way way better. dont get those eBay projector they arent that good.
it doesnt blind pp and the light output is great.

this isnt mind but its the same projectors i have

Originally Posted by fukdomestic

wow, sweet link there!

i still have to catch up to you guys and look into the retrofitting because i don't know that from a whole in the wall. i know what it is but to actually do it is a different story lol.

do you have those on your car? any pics?

i dont have the pics install on my SE but its not that hard. you just need to remove yur front bumper and make some brackets to have it sit where the stock use to have it. trust me u dont wanna go back to stock ones u got these. as for eBay projectors they arent that good compare to the ES300 fogs. where u can get it for cheaper with a better quality, if u have the $$$ then throw in a set of HIDs. cant complain
and yes it worth every dollar and all the time u spent putting it on

[fukdomestic]

awesome feedback, Kenny.

so should I just ebay some ES300 fogs? that simple? opposed to just doing Blazer fog?

also, I'm assuming the bulb size (H11) remains the same and what not, correct? I'm dying to hook up HID's to that and my lows. once the car is dubbed up i'm posting pics.

[fukdomestic]

also just tried ebay, can't really find them except for old junk.

Originally Posted by fukdomestic

awesome feedback, Kenny.

so should I just ebay some ES300 fogs? that simple? opposed to just doing Blazer fog?

also, I'm assuming the bulb size (H11) remains the same and what not, correct? I'm dying to hook up HID's to that and my lows. once the car is dubbed up i'm posting pics.

Originally Posted by fukdomestic

also just tried ebay, can't really find them except for old junk.

they are H3, u can find them in junk yard for cheaper. you will have to wire them to the stock harness. Blazer fogs are nice too but pricey. its up to u to spend im very happy with the ES300( with 3k hid) so i dont want to upgrade

[tengiday]

$45 for Balzer fog projectors (brand new) = pricey??? I think a pair of ES300 fogs should be that much. Hella IS pricey.
Anyway, I suggest after installing HID in your fogs, you can try driving around to see if too much foreground lighting is your taste. Many claim that they actually see less further when there is too much foreground lighting in front of their cars, so it's better to use halogen. Besides, people on HIDPlanet say it's not necessary to use 3000K in fog since no matter what color temperature you're using, your view isn't affected with any kind of weather.

Originally Posted by tengiday

$45 for Balzer fog projectors = pricey??? Hella IS pricey.
Anyway, I suggest after installing HID in your fogs, you can try driving around to see if too much foreground lighting is your taste. Many claim that they actually see less further when there is too much foreground lighting in front of their cars.

oh thats not bad then i thought they were more lol.

[fukdomestic]

Originally Posted by tengiday

$45 for Balzer fog projectors (brand new) = pricey??? I think a pair of ES300 fogs should be that much. Hella IS pricey.
Anyway, I suggest after installing HID in your fogs, you can try driving around to see if too much foreground lighting is your taste. Many claim that they actually see less further when there is too much foreground lighting in front of their cars, so it's better to use halogen. Besides, people on HIDPlanet say it's not necessary to use 3000K in fog since no matter what color temperature you're using, your view isn't affected with any kind of weather.

The 3000k is mainly for look - traditional JDM common style right there. I just heard that stock reflective housing glares too much and goes really wide whereas projectors are more focused and shine further. The ES300 look like a good decision but I'd sooner just order the Blazer since it's hard finding a decent set of ES300 fogs.

Any other direct link to order the Blazer? Do you know from experience or others if the installation to retrofit it was difficult or not and would the bulb size remain the same for that unit?

Originally Posted by fukdomestic

The 3000k is mainly for look - traditional JDM common style right there. I just heard that stock reflective housing glares too much and goes really wide whereas projectors are more focused and shine further. The ES300 look like a good decision but I'd sooner just order the Blazer since it's hard finding a decent set of ES300 fogs.

not true

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...ght_color.html

So, why do yellow fog lamps work better? It's because of the way the human eye interacts with different colors of light. Blue and violet are very difficult for the human optical system to process correctly. They are the shortest visible wavelengths and tend to focus in front of our eyes' retinae, rather than upon it. To demonstrate this to yourself, find a dark blue store front sign or something else that's a dark, pure blue against a dark background in the absence of white light. From any appreciable distance, it's almost impossible for your eyes to see the blue lighted object as a sharply defined form...the edges blur significantly.) Blue also is a very difficult color of light to look at if it is at all intense...it stimulates the reaction we call "glare". So, culling the blue out of the spectrum lightens the optical workload and reduces glare. For more in-depth discussion of the matter, see Bullough & Rea's excellent study on the topic.

[tengiday]

If you really think about the right color temperature used in foggy condition, there will be no scientific data proving that yellow is more helpful than any other colors. What helps you is the angle of the fog lights with your view. However, I'm not going to discuss why yellow is still chosen to use in fog lights (I'm not an optic/light expert).

The bulbs for Balzer are not H11, of course. They are 880 (don't know which H is that), and you can order the bulbs from that site too. They are selling high quality parts, so you don't have to worry about mismatched colors. My car doesn't have fogs (I'm planning to install them using the headlight stick, not a separate button), but I haven't decided whether I should put HID in my fogs or just use regular halogen (though I know my low beam will outshine my fogs, for sure). I haven't seen pics/DIY showing how to do retrofit in the Camry fogs yet (only a brief talk by Pawel).

There are many members here having Balzers, who, I think, can give you some ideas.