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Old 01-11-2012, 09:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2GR-FEV6 LSC 90K (recall) oil line fails-Dealer won't cover damages-WARNING !!

A new and important development has occurred that is very troubling and may ultimately affect many or almost all of the 1.6 million vehicles affected by the LSC 90K (recall) which replaces a defective rubber oil line hose with a replacement hose that was supposed to be stronger. Despite the fact that the "campaign" documents essentially extend the "warranty" to March 2013, Arlington Toyota of Palatine Illinois (a Chicago suburb) has refused to cover oil line replacement and engine damage caused when the new rubber recall hose replacement rutptured and the engine essentially ran out of oil. If you own a model year 2007 to 2009 3.5L V6 Camry manufactured prior to April, 2008, this applies to your vehicle !!

Facts as follows: The owner of a 2006 Rav4 (same engine with same recall as Camry) with a placed in service date of 07/25/06 and 48,500 miles has a well maintained vehicle which the dealer does not dispute. In April 2010 at 31,719 miles, she had oil change and recall service performed at Arlington Toyota. According to her receipt, correct parts were replaced pursuant to LSC 90K. The car was taken into Arlington Toyota for service every 5K miles thereafter. Then, 16,652 miles after the vvt-i recall hose was replaced - on Christmas eve 2011 and just 2,000 miles since her last oil change visit, the replacement oil line ruptured causing the oil to rapidly drain out of the engine so she has it towed to Arlington Toyota.

Arlington Toyota chose to ignore the March 2013 date noted in the LSC 90K documents and tells her "you are only entitled to one oil line replacement .... " and hands her a $700 bill for new oil hose, ancillary damage, and tow. Within 15 minutes of driving it off the lot, the engine starts making loud noises and it is towed back to Arlington Toyota. They tell her essentially "tough luck" and want $1,200 just to inspect the engine for damage .... which is probably going to run into the thousands of dollars. She calls Toyota headquarters and gets no relief.

The car is sitting at the dealer now and owner is frustrated to say the least. I called the sevice director at Arlington Toyota and he was totally unresponsive.

I describe this situation in more detail at the top of the following website (which I created):

https://sites.google.com/site/toyotav6oillinescandal/

As you can see from that website and many other instances in several threads here in the Rav4 World forums, Avalon, Camry and other forums and websites -dealers do routinly make post warranty repairs for ancillary engine damage related to failed oil lines ...... although some people really have to fight for it.

Look at how fast this oil line ruptured - just 16,652 miles and 20 months after the original installation. Even the old 2005 Avalon hoses did not go out this fast. What is particularly absurd here is that had the owner NOT taken the vehicle in at all for the recall in April 2010 and the origianl oil line failed, she clearly would have been covered by LSC 90K since that document clearly states the "recall" is good through April 2013 and there is no sense of urgency about bringing the car in prior to that date. Since the new improved rubber oil line is suppose to be reinforced with Kevlar or some other such substance, I didn't figure we'd be hearing about any failed LSC 90K replacement rubber hoses until about 2015 !!!!!!

Question: Has anyone ever even heard of another case where the oil line recall repair failed (whether post-warranty or not) and if so, how was the issue resolved? Obviously in this case, either the dealer did not perform the origianl service ...... or incorrectly performed the service .... or Toyota had a bad batch of parts ........ all of which SHOULD have been investigated by the dealer as soon as the car was brought in after the oil line failure occurred. Please PM me or post here any responses. Also, any advice from anyone who sees this and works for a Toyota dealer or Toyota itself? There is another case on the Edmunds forum just like this where a 2008 Camry had the recall performed in September 2010 and the replacement oil line blew Thanksgiving 2011. The dealer paid for the repair but the poster does not accept private messages so it cannot be confirmed as to whether it was still within the 60,000 mile powertrain warranty which if it was within the warranty period would distinguish this case a bit.


Warning to anyone with 2GR-FE V6 engines manufactured prior to April 2008 where the recall has been performed: If the new hose is subject to failure, essentially 1.5 million or so people are driving vehicles that are potentially "ticking timebombs." If other dealers follow the policy of Arlington Toyota, once your powertrain warranty has expired by either the passage of time or by the mileage limit and it has been more than one year since the LSC 90K oil line replacement was done, then repairs that occur as a result - which can easily run into the thousands of dollars - will not be covered by Toyota.

What you can do if your affected vehicle is approaching or has past the applicable dates of warranty expiration: Go back to your dealer and demand that the dealer either:

(1) replace the "band aid" rubber hose fix called for in the LSC 90K with the same all metal oil line that Toyota installed on all 2GR-FE V6 engines manufactured beginning in 2008 even if you have to pay some reasonable charge. There are many threads in many Toyota forums on this (as well as the aforementioned website). Many people have already used the metal oil line replacement despite an assortment of lame excuses by dealers stating that the metal version would not fit their car OR the all metal line would void their warranty

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(2) that the dealer put in writing that the LSC 90K replacement hose is guaranteed until at least March 2013 ... or longer.

Update as of February 8, 2012: Owner appealed to the President of Arlington Toyota with positive response. Toyota picked up the tab for all repairs which essentially amounted to a new engine. Parts replaced include new short block, cam assembly, gear assembly, & water pump. Arlington is also throwing in some brake work as a goodwill gesture.

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Old 01-11-2012, 10:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
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This is old news
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My mom pulled in the driveway with 45k miles on her 06 Avalon, said the A/C got warm about 1 mile ago..

Looked under the car, oil everywhere. Checked the dipstick, it was dry.. Thankfully no engine damage occurred, they fixed the line under warranty.
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This is NOT "old news"

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This is old news
While 2GR-FE oil line issue - recall vs. no recall and rubber vs metal is "old news", this is the first reported case (on the Internet anyway) of the new rubber replacement oil line failing [# 04009-33131 No.1 Oil Hose Kit].

BlackCamSe, what would you do in my situation as follows?:

2009 Camry V6, above oil kit installed November 2010 at no charge by Olathe Toyota (KS), an excellent dealersip. It has been 17,000 miles since the recall was done - same mileage on same part as the Rav4 at issue. My factory warranty expires in 15 months (which will be at about 50,000 miles).

I had figured the replacement would be good for at least 5 years and would then have my hose replaced with the all metal line. Now worried that my own oil line could fail at any time (and no, I am not interested in running my car out of oil and getting a ruined engine "repaired," I want the all metal line now ..... and am willing to pay the $250 or so to replace it. I will not let anyone other than a Toyota dealer touch my car .... st least until the warranty is out.

Problem: I now live near Pensacola Florida and no dealer within 100 miles of my house is currently willing to do perform the service. Bob Tyler Toyota is going to do some additional investigation for me .... but in the meantime ....... I am afraid to even take the car out on the Interestate. And yes, I am phobic about my cars and doing proper preventative maintenance.





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I would replace it with the metal one. My 2010 came with the all metal one from the factory
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So on the RAV4 dealer replaced the broken rubber hose with another rubber hose? And now it's broken again?
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Yes - broken hoses replaced by exact same part !!!!!!!!

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So on the RAV4 dealer replaced the broken rubber hose with another rubber hose? And now it's broken again?
Hard to believe isn't it.

I have the receipts right in front of me. Both replacements were the kits called for in LSC 90K.

And, they charged more for that 3 inch piece of rubber than they did for the new serpentine belt! Just look at the outrageos price included in the $731.67 bill:

Kit, Oil Hose, NO.1 04009-33131 $63.12
Cover, Timing Chain, 011322-31021: $72.30
Belt, V-Ribbed, $52.76
Labor: $238.00
Shop Supplies: $17.00
Tax: $19.49

Yeppers ....... why replace a part that failed in just over 16K miles with the exact same part?

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Well yea if it's the same rubber part then expect it to fail again. That dealer is a dumb ass.

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Changing out a failed rubber hose when a new steel pipe is available is just plain stupid. Going to a steel pipe shows the rubber hose is a design defect. Maybe take the issue to small claims court.

The TSB has an expiration date but didn't say only one repair can be made? Also file a complaint with the FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection, particularly about the warranty coverage.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/consumer.shtm
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Update: Toyota fixed engine damage at no cost.

After an appeal to the President of Arlington Toyota, Toyota Inc. covered the engine damage post warranty.

Owner is happy not to have paid for engine damage and is now awaitng refund of the original $700 repair bill plus towing charges.
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How hard is it to make a hose that will handle maybe 80psig max? Don't know what the oil pump relief valve is set for but I beleve the max for Camry V6 is probably 60psig. Could be Toyota had a problem using a short piece of hose which limited the hose construction. Glad to hear the dealer agreed to do the work under warranty.
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Holy cow, my 2008 Limited highlander have the same symptoms this morning! On our way back from church, I noticed a "low engine pressure" message pop up for a couple of seconds and then it went away. When we reached our driveway, I saw a big puddle of oil where the vehicle was parked at the previous night, underneath the engine on the right side (left side if you are in front facing the vehicle). I immediately stopped the engine and looked underneath the hood and lo and behold, the right side of the engine is soaked with oil. I know the leak is not coming from the oil pan as there is oil even on the underside of the hood. I added about 1 quart of oil and started the engine to see where leak is coming from and there is a steady stream of oil (not just dripping) coming from the right side of the engine. Turned off the engine, went online to do research and saw this post. Will contact Toyota first thing tomorrow morning.

PS - I've been religiously bringing the vehicle to Toyota dealerships for oil change every 5k miles, up to 36k. Had the 40k done at Firestone and have been doing the oil change myself at 45k and 50k. Mileage is currently at 54k. Had the oil hose replacement done in June 2010.
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Not the entire, but part of the reason why I'm holding onto my 4th gen Camry like dear life is the problems i have seen with newer Toyotas that would have been unheard of in the old days.

That and a 99 Camry with only 80k is worth a lot of money these days, it seems.
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Here are photos:

oil puddle where vehicle was previously parked


Oil dripping as I backed the truck


New oil puddle


Underneath front right tire


Oil splatter on wheel well


Oil splatter near beneath the hood


Oil is leaking somewhere on the right side of the engine, where the belts are at
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Yeah, they sure don't make them like they used to. That's just too bad.

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part of the reason why I'm holding onto my 4th gen Camry like dear life is the problems i have seen with newer Toyotas that would have been unheard of in the old days.


On a 2008? I hope you don't get the run around. But if it's engined related then hopefully they'll cover it under powertrain instead of trying to shove you under the carpet. The bean counters wouldn't spend just a little more on a metal pipe mass produced?


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Here are photos:

oil puddle where vehicle was previously parked
Oil dripping as I backed the truck
New oil puddle
Underneath front right tire
Oil splatter on wheel well
Oil splatter near beneath the hood
Oil is leaking somewhere on the right side of the engine, where the belts are at
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