About Oil and Gas for 2005 Camry V6

[liuhais]

Hi there, I got my 2005 Camry V6 recently. I have 2 questions:


1. What's the best time to change the 1st oil ? some people say 1000km, some people say following the manual( 6000km ). Which one is better ?
Who knows whether the original oil filled by manufacture is the same as the dealer's "Toyota Genuine Motor Oil" ? or is it a special oil for the new car for the first run ?
Is it worth to change to "Synthetic Motor Oil" for the 1st oil change?


2. Which gas (octane) should I use for my Camry V6 3.0L with 10.5:1 ? 87, 89 or 91 ?


Thanks a lot !!!

[cam2Xrunner]

I'd switch to mobil one synthetic at 3k miles and you can run either 87 or 91 octane. If you run 91 you might notice better performance, but don't be afraid to use 87.

[Toysrme]

Change the oil to a dino oil within the first 20 miles of driving. At 1500 miles, swap to a high quality full synthetic. (Mobile 1, AMSoil ect...)

Go warm the car up and run the fucking piss out of the engine in 2nd and 3rd gear for the first 200-300 miles.

You'll get better throttle responce, more power and longer life out of your rings.

[5spd V6 ClrTail]

If he runs it in 3rd gear, he'll be doin more than 100 mph. You only tell that method to ppl that will actually change the oil within 25 miles of buying the car. Most won't. So, stick to 6000 miles per change.

[Toysrme]

If he runs it in 3rd gear, he'll be doin more than 100 mph.

What's your point???

[liuhais]

How about 89 octane ? V6 is already enough power for me, I don't care about performance too much, but how about fuel efficiency and is that true higher octane is better for the engineer ( V6, 3.0L, 10.5:1 compression ratio ) ?
Please give me some suggesions based on your experience.

And I don't know how to change the oil, I will go to the dealer to change the 1st time I think. Because I worry about whether it's good or not to use NON-Toyoto Engineer Oil ( Dealer said they use Genuine Toyota Oil, but I wonder its quality ), any suggestion about the Dealer's Toyota Oil or some good brand synthetic oil like Mobile ? Are you sure there is no problem to use the Synthetic oil at any time ?

Thank you very much once again !!!!!!!!

[04sev6camry]

i changed my oil in my 3.3L at 1000mi and then after that ive done it every 3K, i also run mobil 1 and havent had any problems, but its a new car so i dont expect to. all oil is really the same though, all of them have to meet a standard, them saying it is genuine toyota oil is nothing special, its the same with their parts, they made it is what that means. i run a full synthetic oil because it doesnt have the natural impurities like oil from the ground does, so it wont break down as easy, can withstand higher temperatures, and lasts longer if i did want to go 7k before changing my oil.
as far as gas goes, the back of the manual says to use at least 87, but it says for improved performance to use 91. it also says that it used 96 for the mileage that u see on the sticker. i use 89 just cause i dont want to pay for 91 but i dont want to run 87 in it. but i recommend that whatever u use in it to stick to it

[liuhais]

hi 04sev6camry, thanks for your reply !

Some people say changing to use synthetic oil is one-way ticket, it's not good to change back to conventional engine oil, is that true ? And some people say synthetic have the posibility to make engine leak oil, I worry about it...

about gas, what do you mean stick to it ? what's bad if i switch between 87, 89 and 91 ?
Thanks once again !

[VVT-i Owns]

The reason people say that an engine might leak when syn is used because on an older engine that has been running regular dino oil there is gunk and stuff that collects at the engine seals. When switched to syn, the detergents in the oil clean that stuff out, leaving you with leaky seals.

Really for a daily driver there is really no point to syn, dino oil provides more than enough protection. If you race or have forced induction or high perf. engine then syn is a good idea.

As for gas milage the higher octance will give best milage. For excellent gas milage, don't be a leadfoot.

[Edmond]

What about the warranty? If you get an issue and didn't use "Genuine Toyota oil" or a "Genuine Toyota oil filter", would they try to dick you around?

[liuhais]

Re: Edmond

Toyota also provides their syn oil at $69.75 ...

[liuhais]

Thanks guys !

If I change to Syn. Oil at the 1st time oil change, is that necessary to "flush" the engine ? I mean will it bring me trouble if they mix Syn. oil with some original oil, which hasn't been drained completely ? Because I can't expect the dealer guy will spend a lot of time to drain the original oil, they always say "express" oil change ! While I cann't do it myself or somewhere else, at least when the car is still under warranty, the Toyota dealers provide both conventional oil and synthetic oil.

Thanks again !

[04sev6camry]

i got a couple of responces so bare with me...

liuhais- about sticking with gas...from what ive been told, the ECU will adjust to the grade fuel u use, but if u put different fuel in it at first its going to be runnin like u have 89 when it really has 87 so u wont get good mileage or power, but i dont know how long it takes to adjust or how true it is..thats just what ive been told

edmond- they cant "screw" u for not using their oil or filter unless it causes a problem, i think there might be a law about that, but im not sure. also the 'genuine toyota' stuff helps sell it cause it makes people think that its special cause its toyota

liuhais- about the oil..u dont have to flush it to put synthetic in it. just drain it like normal and fill it with synthetic. even if u flush it your gonna have some dino oil left in it anyways, u never get all the oil out cause your gonna have some left over on the seals and other parts, but whats left isnt gonna hurt.

[knapp9]

I don't know about Toyotas sold in Canada, but my US 05 Camry with the V6 recommends 87 octane or higher gasoline. The owners manual clearly states that you can use either 87 or 91 octane gas without really pushing one over the other. We're running 87 in our Camry right now and it peforms just fine. If you don't get better gas mileage running a higher octane gas, my personal opinion is that you are wasting your money.

As for the oil. again the owners manual recommends their Toyota brand...obviously, but it also allows for "an equivalent" oil. Toyota Genuine Motor Oil is bottled by Mobil, and in all reality is probably the same as their conventional Mobil Drive Clean oil. More important than the brand name of the oil is the API SL "energy conserving" rating, ISAC grade and 5W30 viscosity of the oil you actually use. That applies to both conventional and synthetic oils. The reality is that the vast majority of name brand oils on the market today meet those oil standards, and thus are "equivalent" to "Genuine Toyota oil" for warranty purposes. As an example, I changed the factory oil in my new Camry this weekend after the 1st 3,000 miles with regular old Pennzoil...but it was a 5W30, API SL, ISAC "energy conserving" Pennzoil oil...just like the owners manual recommends. See my point?

Toyota engines do very well on Mobil 1 synthetic oil. Check out this web site for more info than any normal person could ever hope to use in a lifetime regarding oil: http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

You will go nuts reading it all. But its fun.

Personally, I think you may have one of the few legitimate reasons for using synthetic oil as you live in Canada and I presume it gets extremely cold where you are. Synthetics are known to flow better than conventional oils at extremely low temperatures.

[islandboy57]

In the owner's manual for our 1995 Camry (V6) it recommends premium (92 octane) for optimal performance. I think I tried the middle grade once and I don't know if it was imagined or not, but it felt like there was a noticeable difference in power. I wouldn't mind trying regular (87 octane) again since it's cheaper. Here in Hawaii, right now premium is $2.52/gal - or $2.33/gal at Costco.