New Fram Air Hog Filter for Gen5 - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Toodeep · 07-18-2005, 11:16 PM

Hey has any one tried that new Fram High proformance High filter. Is it any good. I think i might Get it for my Gen 5 Cam just to see how it runs with it. It might be a waste of money

Super Kaioken · 07-19-2005, 02:55 AM

i go tthe K&N air filter....wow NEONS for the gen5? that looks nice .......your car looks like mine too haha.

SmokingTires · 07-19-2005, 03:12 AM

Fram =

Tommy · 07-19-2005, 03:16 AM

well at least its not an oil filter, that way the filter wont disolve and fall apart into your oil.

jackfrost1031 · 07-19-2005, 03:19 AM

I think the "high performance" air filter market is 100% BS.

you simply cannot filter better, and flow better. Think about it.

Lord_Anarchy · 07-19-2005, 03:28 AM

Not really.. It promises more air flow due to it's less restrictive design. Through it's use of the oil it's able to catch dirt but because it's woven less tighthly than a standard filter, it's able to flow more air in.

JetspeedCamry · 07-19-2005, 03:38 AM

100% flow can ONLY be attained wiithout ANY restiction.
ANY amount of filterring will restrict and impede flow, simple.

Super Kaioken · 07-19-2005, 03:41 AM

couldn't they create a bigger vacuum or something like that to increase air flow?

Lord_Anarchy · 07-19-2005, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JetspeedCamry

100% flow can ONLY be attained wiithout ANY restiction.
ANY amount of filterring will restrict and impede flow, simple.

100%? If you want 100% air (assuming you meant 100% air intake capability with ZERO resistance), then you don't use a filter at all. If you want filteration BUT reduced impedence/restriction from a regular filter or a basic OEM, then you go for "high flow" air filters. Eg. TRD, K&N, Air Hog, Green...

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Originally Posted by super kaioken

couldn't they create a bigger vacuum or something like that to increase air flow?

Well, vacuum is created and controlled by the engine. There is no way to create more vacuum beyond the engine's mechanical limit but you can force the engine to take more air in... via a nice turbo or superchager

JetspeedCamry · 07-19-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Anarchy

100%? If you want 100% air (assuming you meant 100% air intake capability with ZERO resistance), then you don't use a filter at all. If you want filteration BUT reduced impedence/restriction from a regular filter or a basic OEM, then you go for "high flow" air filters. Eg. TRD, K&N, Air Hog, Green...

Well, vacuum is created and controlled by the engine. There is no way to create more vacuum beyond the engine's mechanical limit but you can force the engine to take more air in... via a nice turbo or superchager

So whats your point mate??? Did you not understand what I said?? Of course i meant that, if you want 100% flow, you need 100% no restriction...I.E. NO FILTER!
I am saying this because any filter, no matter how good, has some percentage of restriction, and thus will impede flow. You can't physically have 100% flow with a some sort of restriction, its just not possible.

Keep · 07-19-2005, 09:01 AM

Lord_Anarchy, what are you doing throwing out the word impedance when nobody's mentioned anything about current, ohmic resistance, or reactance

this isn't electrical, its an air filter

(just giving you a hard time

)

skewe · 07-19-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Anarchy

Not really.. It promises more air flow due to it's less restrictive design. Through it's use of the oil it's able to catch dirt but because it's woven less tighthly than a standard filter, it's able to flow more air in.

Definately true.
Most if not all high flow filters are woven less tighthly than a standard filter and to compensate for that, it will oil to catch the dirt.

Saw on one of those speed channels that it does contribute to more oil in throttle body, intake manifold.

RedPhoenix · 07-19-2005, 09:55 AM

go to advance auto, use their little K&N filter rules you display. Then put the fram filter in. Its pretty fun to play with, but yeah K&N wins hands down.

Keep · 07-19-2005, 12:33 PM

K%N - even less tight woven, but even more oil added

Pro's - More Airflow with relatively same amount of filtration protection (thanks to the oil)

Con's - Minor Oil contamination to upper-deck

Small price to pay, not even an issue for those who clean their intakes out seldomly.

Lord_Anarchy · 07-19-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JetspeedCamry

So whats your point mate??? Did you not understand what I said?? Of course i meant that, if you want 100% flow, you need 100% no restriction...I.E. NO FILTER!
I am saying this because any filter, no matter how good, has some percentage of restriction, and thus will impede flow.

I don't think anyone said that K&N would give NO RESTRICTION whatsoever. Nor do I recall any arugment of filters vs. no filter. That's never been the point of this thread. The point was "High-performance" filters. Then, in order to explain their utility, we compared them with OEM and run-of-the-mill filters since no one ever said anything about not running any filter at all to begin with.

But, common sense tells you that if you have a filter, it does reduce flow. That's not a big secret. If you want maximum air intake capablity, run no filter. If you want maximum FILTERED capabilty, run high performance filters. Simple as pie

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Originally Posted by Keep

(just giving you a hard time )

HHAHAHAHAHA.. You caught me. I was reading some info about those Bose shocks. It's some really tricky stuff man. Those things are just.. wow... Have you seen them in action? Perfect for a smooth riding luxury car.. like.. LEXUS

LOL!