Camry HybridDiscussion area for the Toyota Camry Hybrid. Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance all involving Americas favorite family car, the Toyota Camry.
Actually... it's a BIG misconception that electric cars are green and env. friendly. An electric car is merely an equivalent of a petrol car with a long exhaust pipe. And, all you are doing is pumping the smoke out at the location where the power plant is. The only +ve aspect is that the city is a bit cleaner, and all the smoke is dumped in a remote village where the power plant is.
Does it save money, not really, most hybrids/electrics have a higher cost of maintenance and purchase price then the standard fuel saver economy car. Pure electric cars like the Tesla roadster cost more then the standard buyer could dream of affording, thus you will never see the savings of not buying gas by owning one of these vs a little Yaris (sorry Yaris guys). Even the non sporty electric cars/trucks are $45k+ and some are only available as fleet purchases. So in the end you'll save more cash buying a high mpg econo car then something with a hybrid sticker on it. Unless they drop the price of these cars, I will never buy one for a DD, not to mention I bet charging it reflects on your electric bill for the pure electric ones.
Actually... it's a BIG misconception that electric cars are green and env. friendly. An electric car is merely an equivalent of a petrol car with a long exhaust pipe. And, all you are doing is pumping the smoke out at the location where the power plant is. The only +ve aspect is that the city is a bit cleaner, and all the smoke is dumped in a remote village where the power plant is.
what you guyz say
I "say" that there is a difference between a HYBRID car and an ELECTRIC car.
Your topic and thread title says "Hybrid", but your comments are referring to Electric cars.
Your thread and comments contain many generalizations, and is extremely short on factual data. Until you produce these, you yourself are just blowing smoke.
I was going to try my best and not say anything but I can’t let this one go by. 98CamryLE is being nice with his comments. What the other two of you know about series hybrids, parallel hybrids, plug in hybrids and pure electric vehicles could be carved on the head of a pin with a cold chisel and have space left over.
My TCH just turned one year old. After 24,000 miles and averaging 40.8 mpg for a lifetime average (so far), my car has ALREADY paid back the “premium” over the cost of a comparable non-hybrid model. When I purchased our two company cars, the difference was just under $500.00 on EACH car. Based on the other, non hybrid Camry in the family (that I also drive) and an average of 32 mpg on that 07 I4 model, the difference in gas purchased would be $566.00 (based on an average of $3.50 per gallon actually purchased this past year).
As far as a “plug in” hybrid or pure electric car is concerned, the emissions from your local power plant to produce the electricity required to charge the car will not even be a large fraction of the pollution from the ICE used by a conventional auto. That is assuming a DIRTY conventional coal fired boiler running WITHOUT updated SCR’s. There are a lot of these in the US (good thing because I make a living detailing scrubber units for them). Any other style of power plant (combined cycle gas turbine, hydro, solar, wind or nuke) will not even enter into a discussion about emissions on cars.
As to cost, depending on the area of the country you live in, you will pay from $.40 to $1.10 to charge your pure EV or plug in hybrid. Depending on the model this will take you anywhere from 15 to well over a 100 miles. How far will you get in your pure gas burner on that much money?
Maintenance issues seem to be much cheaper on Toyota hybrids than their conventional models. Brakes every 100,000+ miles, no starters or alternators, 100,000 mile 8 year (minimum) warranty on the hybrid components and with the Prius, the most dependable model that Toyota makes.
Could I buy an economical car (in mpg) for less money? Yes. I could have bought a Yaris to drive back and forth to work and have money left over. It would not have the same comfort level, ride, looks or the other amenities that I have grown accustomed to on my vehicles. Are hybrids the solution for everyone? No. There will never be a “one size fits all” car. If the advantages that a hybrid offers however fit your situation, they are hard to beat.
Where are you getting your info from, GM or Chrysler?
Yeah I don't get it. You talk about electric cars but you're posting in a hybrid forum with the question directed at hybrid cars.
The smoke stack is no different from 1M diesel cars choked in a traffic jam. Over here, my electricity is from hydro so I have no problem using electricity (other than maybe the salmon runs being affected).
Besides, hybrid cars DO NOT need to be pluggged in. In the city, I save a lot on brake pads cause I rarely used them. After 64,000km, they're 90% front, 95% rear brake life left. At 90,000, they're closer to 75-80%. Compare that to a regular car that does nearly 95% of its driving in city streets and it'll be replaced around 70,000km if you're driving normally.
There are no starters/alternators to replace either and maintenance is every 10,000mi (on your end. We use cheaper oil so it's 5,000mi for us).
About the batteries? I think laptop and cellphone (esp. cellphone cause no one seems to keep a phone for more than 2-3 years) will probably cause a larger landfill. Toyota has a recycling plant for its battery pack so it won't go to the landfill.
Prius vs. Yaris? Sure if the Yaris comes with standard:
- lightweight alloys (14lbs each)
- automatic climate control
- smart key system
- push button start
- drive, shift and brake by wire systems
- 7" LCD multi-info display
- traction control
- stability control
- LED brakelights
- Ultra-high tensile steel panels
- aluminium hatch, suspension and hood
- bioplastics for the dashboard
- 4 electric windows with express-down for the driver's (you guys are notorious for offering only front electric windows)
- heated mirrors
- 0-60 in 10.3 secs (only your 1.4 litre diesel manual beats it at 10 secs. The rest are 13-15)
- not to mention a more useable boot
- cargo net
- mudguards
- wheel locks
ok 'nuff said.
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2010 Prius Technology Package (Cdn)
OEM Cargo Mat, OEM All-Weather Mat, LED ext/int lights, 5000K HID, OEM Fogs, Euro Mudguards
Actually... it's a BIG misconception that electric cars are green and env. friendly. An electric car is merely an equivalent of a petrol car with a long exhaust pipe. And, all you are doing is pumping the smoke out at the location where the power plant is. The only +ve aspect is that the city is a bit cleaner, and all the smoke is dumped in a remote village where the power plant is.
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