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Why 5,000 miles between oil changes

Why does the THC have a 5,000 mile interval for oil changes, considering the use of synthetic oil, and I do believe the Prius is on a 10,000 mile interval. I use Amsoil, so this gets to be a bit pricey.
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I think that's the manufacturer's recommended service interval regardless of the brand of oil. Sure you can extend it to 10k but if you have warranty claims related to engine lubrication then it's hard to argue.

What's so special about Amsoil on TCH? it's not a race-car
I have cars over 100k using cheap dino oil and still runs (and they are detroit crap)

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What's so special about Amsoil on TCH? it's not a race-car
I have cars over 100k using cheap dino oil and still runs (and they are detroit crap)
I tend to agree. There isn't much sense in spilling cash on "premium" oil on mainstream vehicles. I think the "freshness" of the oil is more important here; not the brand.

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We are talking synthetic oil. The Prius, using the same 0-20W, is on a 10K interval. What is special about the 2.5 engine. I could understand if it was a diesel. My 2000 Civic has an oil change frequency of 7.5K. My 2010 CR-V is close to 9K, as it uses a computer to determine number of starts, etc, change oil when indicator gets to 15%. You are forced to do it to maintain warranty, but Toyota is ripping off their customers.

Why Amsoil? It's my car, and both my cars (CR-V) will use Amsoil. Now that I have the TCH, the CR-V will see only 5K miles or less per year, so I'm changing the oil once a year. The TCH will see 15K or less each year.
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My '09 Camry Hybrid was on the 5000 mile oil change interval until I started using synthetic oil a couple of years ago. The dealer stated that I can go to 10,000 miles between oil changes. They changed the oil cap to one that says to use 0-20 synthetic oil in the engine
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My dealer recommended a 6000 mile with 0W20. Mine is a 08 TCH.
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10k

My owners' manual and the dealer and Toyota Care say 10K for the 2012 TCH, using 0W20 synthetic oil.

Should I be doubting this recommendation? If the high mileage between changes endangered the longevity of the engine, Toyota would not be recommending it.
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history might repeat itself, sometimes manufacturer themselves are too cocky about maintenance intervals.

second opinion...

http://www.schleeter.com/oil-sludge.htm

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Sludge

According to the article referenced in the previous post, use of synthetic oil prevents sludge formation, thereby allowing for a longer usage period. Looks like Toyota has it right, based on this information.
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10k miles is way to long between oil changes on any car
and synthetic can still sludge just the same
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10k miles is way to long between oil changes on any car
and synthetic can still sludge just the same
3,000 miles used to be "way to long". I remember Kendal advertising its oil as the "2,000 mile oil". As to sludge, the article referenced in previous posts says that synthetic oils do not sludge as do mineral oils.
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What year is your TCH? My 08 used 5W-30 factory synthetic blend for 5k intervals up until last year when I switched to the factory 0W-20. When you switch to synthetic the interval goes up to 10k miles and this is under dealer/factory discretion.

Not sure where you're getting that the interval is still 5k miles with synthetic.

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Anyone know if the TCH is using the new cartridge filter, or is it using the old spin on type filter?
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5k oil changes

I've done my share of research and 5000 mile intervals are OK with the TCH...the 4 cyl ICE doesn't run all the time and,when it is running,it has the load assist from the MG's...3000 mile interval is still good and fairly cheap insurance for all other ICE's...4 or 5 qts of regular oil won't break the bank.

I've used synthtetic oils and they,in many folk's opinions,are best in high heat,high stress (like racing) situations or in very cold climates...zero and below...my 07 TCH is doing just fine on 5W-25(I blend Valvoline 5W-20 with 5W-30) why? I believe 0W anything is a bit too thin and I won't go 5W-30 because the ICE may be running a tight bearing clearance(less than .0002)...so I compromise and the 4cyl is running just fine...a lot of the 10000 mile change intervals,IMHO,have more to do with perceived long range maintenance benefits to fleet buyers...

gasoline mileage is fine,BTW,I saw 49 mpg just the other day on a non-AC required mild day...no rain and no wind either...

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I've done my share of research and 5000 mile intervals are OK with the TCH...the 4 cyl ICE doesn't run all the time and,when it is running,it has the load assist from the MG's...3000 mile interval is still good and fairly cheap insurance for all other ICE's...4 or 5 qts of regular oil won't break the bank.

I've used synthtetic oils and they,in many folk's opinions,are best in high heat,high stress (like racing) situations or in very cold climates...zero and below...my 07 TCH is doing just fine on 5W-25(I blend Valvoline 5W-20 with 5W-30) why? I believe 0W anything is a bit too thin and I won't go 5W-30 because the ICE may be running a tight bearing clearance(less than .0002)...so I compromise and the 4cyl is running just fine...a lot of the 10000 mile change intervals,IMHO,have more to do with perceived long range maintenance benefits to fleet buyers...

gasoline mileage is fine,BTW,I saw 49 mpg just the other day on a non-AC required mild day...no rain and no wind either...

later,big daddy
Using any oil besides 0w-20 requires 5000 mile intervals on a 2012 THC. I don't know what your basis for saying 0W is a bit too thin, but Toyota recommends 0W-20 for 2012 THC. Your reasoning for a 5,000 miles for the hybrid ICE over other ICE 3,000 miles oil changes seems a little bogus seeing that a hybrid is on a on off on cycle. As far as I'm concerned, the 3,000 mile oil change under normal driving has long been abandoned by the manufactures. My 2000 Honda Civic recommended oil changes at 7,500 miles. I went with a 10,000 mile interval, went ten years and 161,000 miles before trading it. Engine from day one to day 10 years consumed 1/2 quart oil every 10,000 miles. I don't change my oil as I live in an apartment. Your comment that lot of the 10000 mile change intervals have more to do with perceived long range maintenance benefits to fleet buyers has no basis at all.

My 2010 CR-V uses 0W-20, has 42,000 miles, oil is changed around 8,500 miles, depending when the oil wear indicator gets to 15% or less. Now that I have the 2012 YCH, the CR-V will be on a yearly oil change as I'll be lucky to do 5,000 miles a year on it. My TCH will be on a 10,000 mile oil change interval. I expect the THC to last ten years or more, more and likely exceeding my remaining years of life on plant Earth.
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