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CamryOwner98 · 10-30-2005, 06:01 AM

I'm planning to clear my headlights and get some oem low-beam bosch projectors with HID for my 98 camry.

So I've got a few Q's

1) Is it easier to install than one that's bi-xenon projectors?

2) If it's the low-beam projector set-up, is it hard to add in a aftermarket driving/high-beam halogen lamp into the same housing? (I like how some cars have regular halogen city lights and then switch on HIDs at night, it's cool!)

3) If number 2 is possible, is it hard to wire everything together? Since the gen 4 camrys have it set up with one H4 bulb for driving, low-beam and high-beam?

Any suggestions/info would be great!

chronoti · 10-30-2005, 07:49 AM

i dont think there would be a way to do what you want, bi-xeon would be the way to go on this. but you might have to still disable the DRL or else you might burn out your high beam switch thing.

Hawkeye-SE · 10-30-2005, 08:14 AM

You could do a dual projector set up. (I would definately not recommend it for your first retro though). HID low and halogen high beam. Then when you make your wiring harness, just split off the high and low from the H4 socket. You have to make a relay harness anyway, so it wouldn't be that difficult.

Hell, you could even do a halogen reflector for your high beam. It all depends on how handy you are, and how much time you are willing to spend making brackets, trouble shooting, aiming, ect.

CamryOwner98 · 10-30-2005, 04:05 PM

Hmm...

The dual projectors sound really good. But I am a noob to retro-fitting so I'd hate to screw up with 2 projectors.

I would actually like to get some halogen reflectors for my head unit.

So if driving light is out of the question, I can get some Pilot driving lights with halo rings and maybe modify it a bit for use as high beams. With that, I'll also have glowing halo rings!

I've wanted to get HIDs for so long. I don't want to mess it up. I plan to get the kit, install the projectors and reflectors myself, then get someone to do the wiring for the bulbs.

Is this more cost effective and easier than a bi-xenon install? I could just disable to driving lights so I don't burn out the HID bulbs as quick.

I've been reading up on HIDplanet, but I still haven't come across on how and where the HID projector shield goes. From pictures it looks like a really big piece. Can someone please clear this up for me?

CamryOwner98 · 11-02-2005, 03:42 AM

I've been noticing the newer camrys, like gen 4.5 to 5. They use 9005 for hi beams and 9006 for low beams, right? None of those bulbs have 2 filaments for hi/lo beam like H4 bulbs, right?

So in the day time, when it is using day time running lights, are the driving lights, those of the high beams, 9005? I noticed in the day time it is using the high beam reflector for day time driving lights.

Is that what cars use now whenever it's that dual setup? I also notice that with that Acura tsx car too. Because the high beam isn't bright at all in the day time. Is that how it works?

Hawkeye-SE · 11-02-2005, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CamryOwner98

I've been noticing the newer camrys, like gen 4.5 to 5. They use 9005 for hi beams and 9006 for low beams, right? None of those bulbs have 2 filaments for hi/lo beam like H4 bulbs, right?

So in the day time, when it is using day time running lights, are the driving lights, those of the high beams, 9005? I noticed in the day time it is using the high beam reflector for day time driving lights.

Is that what cars use now whenever it's that dual setup? I also notice that with that Acura tsx car too. Because the high beam isn't bright at all in the day time. Is that how it works?

Yeah... DRL are high beams at 40% power.

CamryOwner98 · 11-07-2005, 05:21 PM

HID planet has been out so much lately, it's frustrating!

Anyway. I've been running into so much complications about HIDs. After learning how $$$ bi-xenons are, I'm definately going the single low-beam xenons route.

I really need some good insight into this one, so please give me some input.

I plan to fit the projector into the outer area of the headlight assembly.
Then the inner area (The other remaining half) I plan the use sheet metal to make a divider between the projector and create a high beam reflector with the other half. I'm using a similar setup as the gen 4.5 camrys.

I want to drill a hole in the inner half of the headlight and use H4's just solely for high beams.

Is it possible to use my original H4 bulbs as just a stand alone highbeam (and possibly) driving light? Is it possible to split the H4's funtion to use HIDs for low-beam?
Wiring-wise I really need to know before I start getting things for my project.

Hawkeye-SE · 11-07-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CamryOwner98

HID planet has been out so much lately, it's frustrating!

Anyway. I've been running into so much complications about HIDs. After learning how $$$ bi-xenons are, I'm definately going the single low-beam xenons route.

I really need some good insight into this one, so please give me some input.

I plan to fit the projector into the outer area of the headlight assembly.
Then the inner area (The other remaining half) I plan the use sheet metal to make a divider between the projector and create a high beam reflector with the other half. I'm using a similar setup as the gen 4.5 camrys.

I want to drill a hole in the inner half of the headlight and use H4's just solely for high beams.

Is it possible to use my original H4 bulbs as just a stand alone highbeam (and possibly) driving light? Is it possible to split the H4's funtion to use HIDs for low-beam?
Wiring-wise I really need to know before I start getting things for my project.

I cannot see a high beam set up that sounds as rigged as yours working properly. Go dual projectors. You can use the valeo h7 (that HIDplanet sells) and remove the shield, and you will have a decent high beam.

And yes, you can split the H4 out to power a high and low beam. Use a multi-meter and check which wires on the plug do what, and splice them into your new relay harness.

CamryOwner98 · 11-07-2005, 06:21 PM

Thanks Hawkeye, it's great to hear it's possible.

Here's an idea.

What if I use the reflective housing of 2" diameter flashlights? I'll drill a bigger hole for the H4 bulb to fit through.

Think that would provide good output for highbeams?

Hawkeye-SE · 11-07-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CamryOwner98

Thanks Hawkeye, it's great to hear it's possible.

Here's an idea.

What if I use the reflective housing of 2" diameter flashlights? I'll drill a bigger hole for the H4 bulb to fit through.

Think that would provide good output for highbeams?

Why do you want an H4 high beam? Why not a simpler single filament design. And no flashlight is going to produce a pattern that is even remotely useful. Do it right, or do not do it at all.

CamryOwner98 · 11-08-2005, 02:27 AM

well I'm new to all this, so it's quite confusing for me.

So do you mean, it's better to use 9005 bulbs? Easier to convert to 9005 than to use H4s?

Hawkeye-SE · 11-08-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CamryOwner98

well I'm new to all this, so it's quite confusing for me.

So do you mean, it's better to use 9005 bulbs? Easier to convert to 9005 than to use H4s?

Yes. Anything that reduces complexity is a good thing. Use a single filament. Could be 9005, 9006, h7, h1, h3 depending on the optics used.

RedPhoenix · 11-08-2005, 08:23 AM

what about 9004? thats dual

CamryOwner98 · 11-09-2005, 05:24 PM

Ok, well I'll most likely get the 9005 bulbs and split the H4 wire for separate high beam and low.

9004? I'm not looking for a dual bulb though.