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All,
After doing the first oil change and seeing what a mess it made I have an idea for the next time around as I don't want the oil pooring down the block again and dripping for the next 4 days.... (V6)
Take a 1 or 2 liter pop bottle and cut an oval out of it. Now take an awl or some other pointy device and poke a hole in the top of the filter (use a hammer). Place catch can under filter. Rotate filter 180 degrees. Poke another smaller vent hole in the filter.
When done draining, turn it 90 degrees, wipe the filter and cover holes with duct tape or ???.
You will still need towels for the block cavity but this should reduce the quantity of oil pouring down the side of motor.
As for filters - The next filter going on there will be larger! Same filter as FoMoCo V8's, 351C (5.8L) and 460 (7.8L) which reside next to the Camry.
I have a four cyl. and filter is right in front of the engine facing upside down. If thats what yours look like than there is an easier way. Open your oil filler cap. Drain the oil from pan let it be open. Now turn your filter a little about half a thread and let some air go in. keep doing it untill you are at about 6 to 7 threads open. the stuff that was in filter now is back in and coming out from pan. may be few drops would come out while you are unscreweing filter.
oops forgot to add, there will be a wait of half a min or so after each half a thread turn.
^ Someone did that on car talk, their advice was not to run the engine with the oil out.
I have never really had an issue with chaing the filter on our 93 or 04 Camry. The new 3.3L v6s are kinda a pain to change. The easiest oil filter every is on the previals 2.4 The hardest is on the VW Fox.
I dont think puching a hole to let it suck it out unless you go all the way through the anti-drain back valve.
the OEM oil filters, i believe have a check valve in them so that when you turn off
the car, the oil does not drain out of the filter.
it is supposed to help eliminate dry starts.
this is what i do
with a warmed up engine,
first open oil drain plug
pull dipstick out slight to vent.
once oil drains, i start car for about 5 seconds, wait half a minute.
start it again for 5 seconds.
after this about a additonal cup of oil comes out of
drain plug and the filter is bone dry.
my driveway is sloped so then i actual use my floor jack to lift
the right and then the left side of my car
this gets out like a another half a cup of oil!
pete
that's what I do too, but I only turn it on once.
and no, it doesn't hurt the engine. there's still more than enough residual oil in there to lubricate the engine
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Drain Plug, Filler Cap, Dip Stick - none of these will help
Drain Plug, Filler Cap, Dip Stick - none of these will help let air into the filter to let the oil come out.
Yes the Anti-Drain Back Valve does reduce the dry start by keeping the system primmed. That is: the path between the oil sump, oil pick-up tube, oil pump and the filters check valve all have oil in them until the filter comes off and lets air into the system. Thats why poking a hole in the filter will allow it to drain. It will drain much quicker if you put two holes in the filter. The last one to let air in.
Enough on that....
Not trying to insult anyone here but, I would never run the engine without oil. THAT'S NOT A WISE CHOICE!
Have you guys ever held a spun rod bearing or a camshaft that had a cam bearing stuck to it because it ran out of oil for a second? I would guess not. I hope you not the ones who want to flush the block with water either - any idea how long it takes to get the moisture out of the block even if you drain 99% of the water out? Does water realy work in place of oil?
Yes your engine will always start when you run it with out oil, but do tell us just how long it lasted! And please find a manual that says to start your motor with ZERO oil in it and rev it up. Doubt you will find it.
I'm not trying to be jerk here, but there are others who don't need to pay the price you are willing to pay....
I will the try the filter draining test in a couple of weeks and let you know how it goes....
/randy
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Drain Plug, Filler Cap, Dip Stick - none of these will help let air into the filter to let the oil come out.
Yes the Anti-Drain Back Valve does reduce the dry start by keeping the system primmed. That is: the path between the oil sump, oil pick-up tube, oil pump and the filters check valve all have oil in them until the filter comes off and lets air into the system. Thats why poking a hole in the filter will allow it to drain. It will drain much quicker if you put two holes in the filter. The last one to let air in.
Enough on that....
Not trying to insult anyone here but, I would never run the engine without oil. THAT'S NOT A WISE CHOICE!
Have you guys ever held a spun rod bearing or a camshaft that had a cam bearing stuck to it because it ran out of oil for a second? I would guess not. I hope you not the ones who want to flush the block with water either - any idea how long it takes to get the moisture out of the block even if you drain 99% of the water out? Does water realy work in place of oil?
Yes your engine will always start when you run it with out oil, but do tell us just how long it lasted! And please find a manual that says to start your motor with ZERO oil in it and rev it up. Doubt you will find it.
I'm not trying to be jerk here, but there are others who don't need to pay the price you are willing to pay....
I will the try the filter draining test in a couple of weeks and let you know how it goes....
/randy
well, here's the question, since when does an engine have ZERO oil in it?
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I would worry about future oil pump failure more than bearings and things. Oil pumps don't like to run without oil, and any wear on the pump surfaces decreases the output pressure.
I don't know about the V6 models, but on the 4-cylinder models (3S-FE and 5S-FE), simply WAIT 30 minutes before you unscrew and remove the oil filter. There's still oil left in the oil filter as the anti-drainback valve is still there, but any residual oil between the anti-drainback valve and the block will drain into the pan.
My block has always stayed clean.
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2000 Camry LE - Lunar Mist Metallic
Yes your engine will always start when you run it with out oil, but do tell us just how long it lasted! And please find a manual that says to start your motor with ZERO oil in it and rev it up. Doubt you will find it.
/randy
my ? is, is this guy actually reading what pgmomni actually wrote?
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