Need Camry All Trac Automatic info.

[acylon]

I am thinking of putting an automatic in one of my '88 celica all tracs for street and strip.
The car will be making over 400whp possibly up to 600whp later.
I know some of the Camrys came with AWD automatics.

Who knows what the trannys are capabile of in stock form and what has been made in modded form?
Do they have a locking center diff or VC?
Are any of the trannies different from year to year?
They were made in '89-'92?
What are the model numbers?

Not just a tire kicker.... I have a 370whp '88 rally all trac, and work at KO Racing.
-Thanks for any useful information.

James Unger
James@KORacing.net

[Tommy]

you're gonna kill that poor all-trac transmission if you ever find one....

started in either 88 or 89, ran to 91, transmissions should be the same in all years.

REALLY doubt that tranny will handle that much hp, if its anything like the A140, which I think it is, i bet at 200hp it will implode. Youll be hard pressed to find any auto that will handle that much.

[acylon]

Originally Posted by Tommy

you're gonna kill that poor all-trac transmission if you ever find one....

started in either 88 or 89, ran to 91, transmissions should be the same in all years.

REALLY doubt that tranny will handle that much hp, if its anything like the A140, which I think it is, i bet at 200hp it will implode. Youll be hard pressed to find any auto that will handle that much.

OK, thats a good start.
I figured I would have to have the tranny built up to handle more power.
I don't plan on it going the distance, just want it to last for a year or more.

You know, daily thrashing of 400whp and occational 600+ blasts down the strip.

[Tommy]

oh youll kill it....no doubt about that, A140's (2wd camry tranny) arent known for their reliablitly, any extra power to them will cause them to be just that much worse. 400hp will eat that transmission alive.

Why do you want an Auto transmission? probably the first time anyone has wanted to do a manual to auto swap on a camry.

[acylon]

Originally Posted by Tommy

oh youll kill it....no doubt about that, A140's (2wd camry tranny) arent known for their reliablitly, any extra power to them will cause them to be just that much worse. 400hp will eat that transmission alive.

Why do you want an Auto transmission? probably the first time anyone has wanted to do a manual to auto swap on a camry.

4 reasons:

1. Its my daily driver in traffic, automatics rule.

2. Manual trannys dont like to shift over 7500rpm. I plan on running 9k

3. better traction.

4. easier on axles and rearends.

[Tommy]

wow...daily driver 400hp, dude....

gonna blow it up...

i do know where you can get one though, too bad you're like 3000 miles away.

[atobe]

you'r going to pull 400hp out of the 3sfe now ?

[Tommy]

no no...read that wrong atobe.

he wants the camry all-trac auto tranny to put into his already 400hp all-trac celica

[atobe]

oh i c

[acylon]

Originally Posted by Tommy

wow...daily driver 400hp, dude....

gonna blow it up...

i do know where you can get one though, too bad you're like 3000 miles away.

What do you base that statement on?
My guess would be people who tried to use the wrong systems to get that sort of power.

We have a 320whp 3S-GTE, daily driver with no problems. The engine in car is stock except for forged pistons, metal head gasket and ARP head studs. Using a T3/T4, supporting fuel system and EMS.

An engine with cams, 70mm TB, OS valves, GT series turbo (we will be testing the 35r, 40r and 42r on this car), Sleeves, complete balanced, ported head, upgraded oil system, eagle rods, and huge IC should have no problems at 400whp driven every day. The build on this engine should be able to handle well over 600whp. Its all in keeping the intake temps down and proper tuning. Hell, I know of one 3s in this area with complete stock internals making 300 every day for over a year now.

[white90dx]

Forgive the Camry guys... they don't understand high-horsepower cars...

If you trust a tranny shop to build it right, you could probably push some reasonable horsepower out of the tranny. 400 reliable hp might be pushing it. In stock form though, I'd lean towards it blowing up really fast.

The real answer though, is that we have no data. I have not read one post from a person that owns an auto all-trac Camry on this forum...

-Charlie

[Tommy]

there are actually several charlie... and since when are you not a camry guy? i see 2 in your sig.

I understand high hp cars, and i understand parts from non-high hp cars.

you cant just take a transmission from a car made for 120hp and expect it to perform well under 400-600hp stress. Thats insane. Yea, maybe if you get it built up right, it will work, but no telling for how long or what type of performance you can get, obviously because no one has tried.

I was making logical assumptions based on my knowledge of camry transmissions and what type of stresses they can take.

[acylon]

Well the 3S was made for a 160whp car, and we run it in stock form up to 370whp with race fuel, add some mods and run it up over 400whp, fix the weak spots add more mods and push 600whp. I don't see why toyota would let me down on the automatic...
I was just wondering if anyone has gone down this road with the automatic. Is no one making power with a Camry automatic?
Maybe I will have to be the test monkey on this one.

Tommy- sorry about jumping down your throat, I thought you ment I was going to blow my engine, not the tranny.
Charlie- thanks for the info.

[Tommy]

yea, the engine will be fine, lots of guys get high HP out of the engine, thats not the issue. The all-trac transmission is the issue. If its based on the A140E, there is no way it will handle the 400hp for more than a few weeks.

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by Tommy

there are actually several charlie... and since when are you not a camry guy? i see 2 in your sig.

Sorry, I also read it to say that the motor was going to blow up, not the tranny...

-Charlie