3s-fe turbo?

[crazy_camry]

at the risk of sounding like a complete fool, i'm toying with the idea of turbocharging my Gen 2. nothing crazy though, just some extra boost (with an intercooler). how could i do it for cheap? what are the ESSENTIALS to be upgraded, also i have an auto, but i've looked at the http://66.31.70.245:8080/camry/ site and he has an auto.

also im thinking of a supercharger, perhaps off a 4a-gze or anything, is that easier to do?

overall i'm looking for something easy, simple and cheap, that will give me some extra oomph.

[X DS X]

Hey how much you got to play with ?.Maybe a 3S-GTE ? .

[91camryDX]

Talk to 88 LE. He turboed his 3S-FE but it needs rebuilt. I'm sure he will have lots of information for you.

[VZV21]

Toyomoto has a 3S-Fe bolt-on kit for about $3000.

But it's probably best to get a rebuilt 3S-GTE motor....and rebuilt or new tranny also.

[jr_certs]

yeah of course that would be best. But the cheapest would be to find a 3sgte exaust manifold and make an adapter plate like 88LE did to fit a T3 turbo on it. Or just go to a junk yard and take a turbo from an old Saab or DSM then make the adapter plate for that turbo, I'm pretty sure most Saabs used T3s. Then get piping from a local muffler shop or try and find some at the junk yard. Get an intercooler from any old car that came with one stock. You would probably want an FMU (Fuel Management Unit) so you don't run really lean and detonate, again 88LE knows more. A BOV (Blow Off Valve) from a 1Gen DSM can be gotten real cheap and you definately want one of those. Only other thing I can think of is a boost gauge so you get an idea of whats going on. Other gauges you would want are oil pressure and oil temp and EGT (exaust gas temp) to get an idea if you are detonating.
Check out http://www.homemadeturbos.com to see just how cheap this can be done (note: that site only has Hondas, but you get the idea). Good luck, and don't forget the pics if you do it!

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by jr_certs

But the cheapest would be to find a 3sgte exaust manifold and make an adapter plate like 88LE did to fit a T3 turbo on it.

Or you can use a Toyota CT-26. It bolts right up to a 3S-GTE manifold so you don't need to make an adapter.

Or just go to a junk yard and take a turbo from an old Saab or DSM then make the adapter plate for that turbo, I'm pretty sure most Saabs used T3s.

Saab's use T3's. Some are water cooled and some are not. They have 40 or 45 trim compressor wheels.

Dodge, Volvo, Buick, Ford, Benz, Saab, Merkur, etc.. use Garrett/AiResearch T3 turbos so it shouldn't be to hard to find one.

My T3 came off a 87 Saab 900 Turbo. 40 trim compressor wheel, .42A/R on compressor housing, standard trim turbine wheel (T3), and .48A/R on turbine housing.

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by jr_certs

Check out http://www.homemadeturbos.com to see just how cheap this can be done (note: that site only has Hondas, but you get the idea). Good luck, and don't forget the pics if you do it!

Pssssttt.... the link is http://www.homemadeturbo.com/ :oops: At least, I think that's the page you meant to link...

-Charlie

[crazy_camry]

If i used the toyota ct-26 my bet best would be to get my hands on a junk 3s-gte and take the turbo+manifold off it, what else?

So for fuel management i could use apexi s-afc? would i need a new fuel pump? how much boost could i run with stock internals+auto tranny?

What i'm thinking of is getting a corona 3s-fe with 104kw (or so i'm told), then putting the turbo on that, can anyone confirm that the corona version 3s-fe had over 100kw?

And finally, if i handed a workshop engine, turbo, i/c etc what do you all estimate labour costs would be.

p.s. as for pics, would have to be a long term project (cashflow) so pics would be long time coming. 'sigh'

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by crazy_camry

If i used the toyota ct-26 my bet best would be to get my hands on a junk 3s-gte and take the turbo+manifold off it, what else?

The manifold has to come off a 3S-GTE. My manifold is from a 91 MR2 Turbo.

The CT-26 can come off a MR2 Turbo, Celica All-Trac, or MKIII Supra Turbo.

So you don't necessarily have to get everything off a junked 3S-GTE but, if you find one with the turbo and manifold intact your set.

So for fuel management i could use apexi s-afc? would i need a new fuel pump? how much boost could i run with stock internals+auto tranny?

I guess you could use a S-AFC but, I don't know enough about it to say for sure.

I'm using a Vortech FMU / boost dependent fpr. What it does is raise the fuel pressure based on boost.

Another way is to use a AIC (additional injector controller) and run additional fuel injectors (placed on the the intake pipe before the throttle body). Then its just a matter of tuning it till you get the right A/F ratio.

Most expensive option is to use a standalone computer like a Accel DFI, Electromotive TECII/III, etc.... Its overkill though unless your building a full out race engine or have a few thousand $$$ laying around.

You could upgrade the fuel pump but, it depends on how much boost your gunna run. I believe the fuel pump from a MR2 Turbo will drop right in or you could look into something like a Walbro fuel pump.

I wouldn't run anymore then 6 - 7psi with stock internals. I was running 10psi for 2 weeks till the engine blew up. The spring in the wastegate actuator is to tight causing it to overboost.

I'm planning on rebuilding the engine and run 4 - 5 psi but, this time i'm using a external wastegate (HKS) so that I can regulate the boost.

What i'm thinking of is getting a corona 3s-fe with 104kw (or so i'm told), then putting the turbo on that, can anyone confirm that the corona version 3s-fe had over 100kw?

Don't know anything about the Corona.

The only cars here with the 3S-FE are 87 - 91 Camry's, Celica's (older ones), and Rav 4's.

And finally, if i handed a workshop engine, turbo, i/c etc what do you all estimate labour costs would be.

Not sure.

My turbo project was $1200 (USD) just in parts and I did all the labor myself.

[crazy_camry]

thanks for all the info guys!
i did some searching and eventually i found some specs. there is a 3S-FE in a st191 model corona (something like a 95 model onward or something, but dont't quote me on that) with these specs:

Fuel system Electronic fuel injection
Type 2.0 litre, 16-valve engine, 4-cylinder in-line Twin Cam
Displacement (cc) 1998
Max output kW/rpm 103 / 6000
Max torque Nm/rpm 186 / 4400
Specifications as provided by manufacturer.

I'm also thinking of a 3s-ge, would the powerful (200ps apparently) late model celica or MR2 3s-ge's fit in no trouble?

[VZV21]

it should be fine...I'll bring it up again...don't forget the tranny

[da_horse]

crazy_camry, cahnging engine should cost you about 700-100AUD. my mechanic bought and changed the engine of a 1991 Legend for 1700AUD so if you can provide the engine and then it would only be about 700...it's a labourious (sp?) process which takes some time...just ask around mate.
as for the intercooler...mate put one on his 180sx for about 500AUD (labour only) discounted price..
as for the turbo...try to get an engine with it already eg 3sgte just for the ease and reduction of costs. if you were to say get a new engine and turbo it you would be looking for at least 1500+ depending on how you set it up.
personally i would just work the internals of my engine while N/A or get the corona one. Then i might turbo it. remember the stock internals aren't going to withstand much boost...i.e 88LE so you'll be looking at rebuilds etc if ur not careful. from the sounds of it i think you want a bit more boost than 7psi :wink:
just ask around for prices....then decide afterwards if you'll go ahead with it.

Horse

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by crazy_camry

I'm also thinking of a 3s-ge, would the powerful (200ps apparently) late model celica or MR2 3s-ge's fit in no trouble?

The 3S-GE will fit.

MR2's don't come with 3S-GE's unless i'm wrong. The old boxy looking ones come with 4A-GE or 4A-GZE (supercharged) and the ones after that come with a 5S-FE or 3S-GTE (turbocharged).

Old Celica's were available with the 3S-GE.

[88 LE]

Originally Posted by Da_HoRsE

remember the stock internals aren't going to withstand much boost...i.e 88LE so you'll be looking at rebuilds etc if ur not careful.

I know.

It was fun at 10psi while it lasted, although I didn't intend to run 10psi.

from the sounds of it i think you want a bit more boost than 7psi :wink:

Hehe....

7psi is pretty good. You can feel a nice pull with just 4 - 5psi.

I might beef up the engine with stronger internals when I do the rebuild but, in the mean time i'm enjoying my bike (01 Honda CBR-929RR).

[crazy_camry]

Thanks for all the replys guys!

Once i scrounge together enough cash i'll start looking at my options.

On a completely unrelated note i became an uncle earlier in the week when my sis had a baby boy, and the ironic thing is they're going to name him "Holden", which here in Oz is the major car manufacturer (division of GM), but it is an actual boy's name (they're not Holden fans as such)