Wagon RSB: OEM vs. Whiteline?

[chasman]

Hi GEN2ers!

How would you characterize the differences between these two rear sway bars for a daily driver?

• How much of a performance improvement can one expect?
• Will the ride be negatively impacted?
• Are there any safety issues such as in winter?
• Any other considerations?

Thanks!

[terrastrife]

a noticible one
slightly firmer rear ride
snap oversteer?
so you drive hard enough to need it?

[chasman]

Hi terrastrife,

Could you describe "snap oversteer"

"so you drive hard enough to need it?"
The car is a daily driver - not autocross. Is the Whiteline designed for competition applications only?

Thanks!

[terrastrife]

Originally Posted by chasman

Hi terrastrife,

Could you describe "snap oversteer"

"so you drive hard enough to need it?"
The car is a daily driver - not autocross. Is the Whiteline designed for competition applications only?

Thanks!

id suggest new tyres first before changing suspension components =) (edit ok you got decent tyres already)

i cant describe snap oversteer because how a car behaves is down to the driver.

if you feel the front end needs more turn in then get a rsb if you want ^^

[chasman]

Hello All,

I'd appreciate if someone who's installed a Whiteline RSB could share the results of their upgrade.

Thanks!

[JetspeedCamry]

I have installed a Whiteline RSB into my Gen 2. I noticed a nice improvement in turn in. I don't really "throw" my car around, so maybe i'm not noticing the full result, but im happy with what it has done. A 90 degree corner for example, can be taken now without nose feeling as if it wants to go into the other lane. And round-abouts can also be taken with more agility. The poly-bushes also help alot.

[chasman]

Originally Posted by JetspeedCamry

I have installed a Whiteline RSB into my Gen 2. I noticed a nice improvement in turn in. I don't really "throw" my car around, so maybe i'm not noticing the full result, but im happy with what it has done. A 90 degree corner for example, can be taken now without nose feeling as if it wants to go into the other lane. And round-abouts can also be taken with more agility. The poly-bushes also help alot.

Which bushings are part of the ploy-bushing kit?
Which do you think helped more, the Whiteline RSB or the poly-bushes?

Thanks again!

[JetspeedCamry]

Originally Posted by chasman

Which bushings are part of the ploy-bushing kit?
Which do you think helped more, the Whiteline RSB or the poly-bushes?

Thanks again!

The RSB bushings....they hold the sway bar to the chassis.

IMO, the bushing's helped more. (maybe coz mine were soft and old)...but it feels great with the firmer and more accurate suspension. The RSB helped alot too...but it helps more so when your "thrashing" the car around corners and such..whereas, you feel the effect of the bushings more when driving normally (which is what it do usually :P).

[chasman]

Originally Posted by terrastrife

id suggest new tyres first before changing suspension components =) (edit ok you got decent tyres already)

i cant describe snap oversteer because how a car behaves is down to the driver.

if you feel the front end needs more turn in then get a rsb if you want ^^

I found the following description of snap oversteer:

Per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_wheel_drive

"Snap oversteer also known as lift-off oversteer. The virtue of weight over the drive wheels also makes the rear end of the car exceptionally light. In a hard cornering situation, slight weight transfer to the front of the car (ie from lifting off throttle) can easily result in a unrecoverable spin, certain cars such as Peugeot 306 Xsi are well known for this characteristic."


We do not want to make any modifications to our car that would increase the likelihood of an unrecoverable spin.

Any thoughts?

[atobe]

yeah i was in a integra with when a snap oversteer happened on the freeway ... we spun all the way around then i saw cars comming at us... but no one got hit or hurt... that didn't have upgraded rsb .. it's all about driver than the bars itself

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by chasman

We do not want to make any modifications to our car that would increase the likelihood of an unrecoverable spin.

Any thoughts?

Sounds like its time to learn how to drive the car. My old Camry (granted, not a wagon) when it had an upgraded rear and stock front has a *slight* tendancy towards oversteer. Just don't be stupid and lift the throttle in corners - even then, the oversteer is controllable if you know what you are doing.

-Charlie

[chasman]

Should both front & rear sway bars be upgraded at the same time to maintain balanced handling?

Thanks,

[atobe]

that would be ideal if $ allows

[chasman]

Originally Posted by atobe

that would be ideal if $ allows

Per the Whiteline application listing, Camry 87-92 SV20-21 sedan wagon 4 cyl:

• Rear BTR38 - 18 mm diameter
• Front BTF91 (threaded end bar - for off road only) - 27 mm diameter

1. Since it appears that Whiteline only has one choice for the FSB which is for off road only, is the BTR38 designed to work with the OEM FSB?
2. How much larger is the diameter of the BTR38 compared to the OEM RSB?

Thanks,

[atobe]

it's really not for offroad use only it's just stiffer than OEM you're gonna be feeling the bumps in the road more than OEM...
here's a comparision

stock whiteline % increase in torsion
rear 15mm 18mm 107%
front 24mm 27mm 60%

that's assuming both are made out of the same material and bleh bleh bleh but you get the idea it's just stiffer than the OEM bars..as with any suspension upgrade it's gonna be like that a stiffer ride.. even changing to poly bushings it's gonna make you feel the bumps more.

i did buy both swaybars in the groupbuy last month it should be here in another month so i'll tell you how i like em once i put them in