Questions regarding S/C and M.Tranny

[Camrymatic]

First question is this: did the Gen 3-4.5 Camries with a Manual Tranny come with Cruise control?

Second is this: From reading over the discussions on the Ripp S/C when it first came out I got the impression that it can be intercooled. Does anyone know of an intercooler that would go with a Ripp S/C?

If those questions are silly I apologize but I have to start somewhere.

[WestCoastff]

I believe ripp only made a s/c for the 4 cyl camry's. Im not sure if it comes water intercooled, if not you could cool it with nitrous or do some surgery and do your own water intercooler system through it i guess...

[Camrymatic]

But I am wondering if you can put the intercooler between the actual S/C unit and the intake.The cooling method does not matter to me yet.

[Zandro]

A intercooler is really meant for turbochargers since they heat up the air a lot,
A superchargers doesn't heat the air up and thus they really don't need a intercooler
but if you want to put one in anyway, you just need to find one with the right dimensions
and the right pipe fitting.

[bronzemaxell]

Originally Posted by Camrymatic

First question is this: did the Gen 3-4.5 Camries with a Manual Tranny come with Cruise control?

i have a 93 4cyl dx 5 speed that doesn't comes with cruise control
but my 99v6 and 03 i4 with manual transmission does have cruise control.

[WestCoastff]

zandro explain how a supercharger doesnt "heat up" air....

[Zandro]

How hot is a turbocharger? and how hot is a Superharger when its running?
Since you imply that you know something else then please go ahead and
tell us what you got on your mind, why all the "cloak and daggers?".

[zoni]

I have always been under the impression that the change in pressure of the already warm air makes the intake air hotter under compression. An intercooler is often used in supercharged applications, especially when a centrifugal supercharger is the method of compression. It is therefore much easier to outfit the system with an intercooler. With a screw type (roots) supercharger it is incredibly difficult to fit in intercooling system. It can be done however. There is actually a thread on this site, probably in the hardcore tech area, which talks about intercooling a roots type s/c.

Also, an intercooler used in a supercharged intake system is often called an aftercooler. Please do some searching around the web. This site is most likely not going to help you much in gathering your information on cooling supercharged air.

[Zandro]

No one disputes that hot air gets even hotter when you compress it but thats
not the issue, the issue is if a supercharger really needs a intercooler to
be efficient, no it doesn't because the supercharger itself doesn't generate heat
like a turbo does, the turbo gets very hot because of the exhaust gases that
passes through it heats up the entire turbo meaning that the air it compresses
gets heated up both by the compression itself and the super hot turbo, bear in mind
that a turbo can reach temperatures of 1742 degree Fahrenheit. The air temp after the turbo is usually 200++ degree Fahrenheit
How much of the air temp. increase after the turbocharger is a result of on air compression?
How much of the air temp. increase does the turbocharger itself contribute to?
Have you ever seen a 5000hp supercharged top fuel dragster with a intercooler?

[terrastrife]

go back to the sand box.

superchargers heat up air just as bad as a turbocharger would, otherwise all the 4agze guys wouldnt be seeing 30-40% power gains with a decent front mount (as long as they resolve the bad idle with low pressure). temp increase from compression is just as bad as exhaust heat transfer.

and remember the fuel in 5000hp drag cars burns cold (methanol) so intercooling would be a restriction that isnt needed.

[zoni]

http://www.procharger.com/tech.shtml

http://www.v-performance.com/pr_super.html#cooler

if they are bad, why does superchargersonline.com sell them? why do manufacturers of supercharger kits include them in kits?
http://www.superchargersonline.com/intercoolers.asp

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/coolers/

[Zandro]

Talking about sandboxes.. there I'm obviously not the only one in it.
You wont get air temperatures even remotely near 200F ++ with a supercharger
and you should know that, your math doesn't ad up, a turbo has 2 main heat sources
(air compression and exhaust heat) a supercharger has only one (air compression)
so where is all this extra "supercharger heat" you're talking about coming from? bearing
heat? belt friction? this is ridiculous, and one more thing, i have never claimed that
mounting a intercooler on a S/C engine wont give any improvement, but your "rabbit
out of a hat" claim that *only* mounting a supercharger on a unmodified 4agze will yield
30-40% improvement in power, and that "all the 4agze guys" are seeing those gains with
*NO* other mods? i saw a MR2 with a 175hp 4agze engine that made 195 hp with the following mods:
Fuel cut defender, Subaru intercooler, a 176mm oversized S/C wheel, custom exhaust and a high flow filter, 20hp more than original....

Edit: zoni, as i said above ive never said/claimed that mounting a inertcooler
on a S/C engine wont give improvement, and i take the liberty of quoting
a line from the second article you posted (http://www.v performance.com/pr_super.html#cooler
" Although the high efficiency of the supercharger used allows it to function effectively without an intercooler"
and thats what this post is all about, does he really need a intercooler? and will it be worth the money spent?
I'm sure that camrymatic didnt come to se a "toyotanation forum bumfight" so can we cut the BS and get to the chase?

[05Cam-Weasel]

Wow. This is the most interesting thread I have read yet. Thank you zandro, zoni, and terrastrife.

Wesley

[ECale3]

To summarize (or perhaps interject):

1. You don't HAVE to use an intercooler on a SC setup
2. It is advantageous to use an intercooler on a Force Induced vehicle.
3. You decide whether it is worth the money, i would say yes, but you don't have to agree.

[Camrymatic]

1. So basically, if i understand correctly the Ripp S/C setup will require extensive modification to accomidate an intercooler setup (from studying pics of Shooks situation), since it has very little room between the S/C and the intake valve to accomidate one there. Looks like the only potential option is a top mount WRX style, but of course attaching it and fitting it would be challenging (of course that would be an awsome excuse for a functioning hood scoop).

2. As far as my Cruise control question, if i am not mistaken its an option on both manuals and automatics, right?