Lsd?

[chasman]

Hi All,

Is an aftermarket LSD available for the 4-cyl auto Gen2 Camry?

Thanks,

[pk_kk]

^ i've seen them for Gen 3 but not sure for Gen 2... hmmm... It was from a vender on this site. I'll post again when I find it

[chasman]

Originally Posted by pk_kk

^ i've seen them for Gen 3 but not sure for Gen 2... hmmm... It was from a vender on this site. I'll post again when I find it

Thanks!

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by chasman

Hi All,

Is an aftermarket LSD available for the 4-cyl auto Gen2 Camry?

Thanks,

Only if you swap transmissions...

How on earth are you going to make enough power to even need an LSD in an auto 4-cyl gen2? I've had a turbo m/t gen2 and I didn't need an LSD... I will have an LSD in the tranny after the motor swap is done (with a completely new transmission...).

-Charlie

[BakaWill]

An LSD in an ff seems more than a little unnessary

[pk_kk]

Cant find it... I dont even know if it exists. Maybe I was drunk....

[JetspeedCamry]

BakaWill: Not neccesarly.

AFAIK the E153 is the gearbox to buy if you want an LSD. Kaaz and Quaife make LSD's.

[88 LE]

Quaker? You mean Quaife?

http://www.quaifeamerica.com

http://www.quaifeamerica.com/differe.../diff_apps.htm

[JetspeedCamry]

Originally Posted by 88 LE

Quaker? You mean Quaife?

http://www.quaifeamerica.com

http://www.quaifeamerica.com/differe.../diff_apps.htm

Yup...thats it...LOL...sorry..couldn't think of the name properly.

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by BakaWill

An LSD in an ff seems more than a little unnessary

You obviously haven't driven a FF car with significanly more than 200ft-lbs of torque... in 1st and 2nd gear, it helps a lot.

-Charlie

[chasman]

Originally Posted by BakaWill

An LSD in an ff seems more than a little unnessary

You obviously haven't driven a FF car with significanly more than 200ft-lbs of torque... in 1st and 2nd gear, it helps a lot.

FWIW: Below are two recent examples of FF cars with less than 200ft-lbs of torque that have a limited-slip differential. (They are the reason I started this thread.)

2006 Civic Si
• 2.0-liter, DOHC i-VTEC® engine
• 197 hp @ 7800 rpm
• 139 lb.-ft. of torque @ 6100 rpm
• Helical limited-slip differential (standard)

MINI Cooper S with the John Cooper Works GP Kit
1.6-litre supercharged engine
218 hp
180 lb-ft
Limited-slip differential (standard)

http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-2006-Mini-Cooper-John-Cooper-Works-GP-Tuning-Kit.htm

http://www.forbesautos.com/reviews/2...el-update.html


QUAIFE ATB Differentials

"Is particularly effective in combating the effects of FWD torque steer."

"The QUAIFE also controls loss of traction when the drive wheels are on slippery surfaces such as ice and snow or mud, providing the appropriate biased traction needed to overcome these adverse conditions. The QUAIFE ATB Differential provides constant and infinitely variable drive. Power is transferred automatically without the use of normal friction pads or plates seen in other limited-slip designs."

"The QUAIFE'S unique design offers maximum traction, improves handling and steering, and puts the power where it is needed most. A definite advantage whether on the track or on the street."

http://www.quaife.co.uk/products/atbdifferentials.htm

Sounds like a FF w/LSD should provide improved traction without the fuel economy penalty of AWD and improve performance as well.

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by chasman

Sounds like a FF w/LSD should provide improved traction without the fuel economy penalty of AWD and improve performance as well.

My point is that a low powered Camry won't see very much improvement (at least on the street) with an LSD. There are better ways to spend your money to improve traction/handling.

Higher powered FF cars, and FF cars that will be driven on the track (or similar) will benifit much more from an LSD... (then again, a FF car with an LSD would be great in the snow!)

To answer your original question... you might be able to get a custom phantom grip LSD made... but otherwise there aren't any options out there for you.

-Charlie

[chasman]

Hi Charlie,

Originally Posted by white90dx

My point is that a low powered Camry won't see very much improvement (at least on the street) with an LSD. There are better ways to spend your money to improve traction/handling.

Given the improvement we've already made (see signature) what do you suggest?

(then again, a FF car with an LSD would be great in the snow!)

That is what I was thinking.

Originally Posted by white90dx

To answer your original question... you might be able to get a custom phantom grip LSD made... but otherwise there aren't any options out there for you.

-Charlie

"custom phantom grip LSD" - Sounds expensive. Please tell me more.

Thanks!

[white90dx]

Originally Posted by chasman

Hi Charlie,

Given the improvement we've already made (see avatar) what do you suggest?
That is what I was thinking.

"custom phantom grip LSD" - Sounds expensive. Please tell me more.

Thanks!

Tires and swaybars might help out. What size are the tires you are currently running?

Google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=phantom+grip+lsd (read beyond the link to the company though...)

What is your true final purpose for the car? That will help people give better suggestions.

-Charlie

[chasman]

Originally Posted by white90dx

Tires and swaybars might help out. What size are the tires you are currently running?

Tires:
- Original 185/70SR14
- Replaced originals with 185/70HR14 (Several sets over the years)
- Current: 195/65HR14 - (H-rated 185/70R14 are no longer available.)
- Considered 195/60HR15. (Have used 60-series tires on another car - very pleased.)
- Considered 205/50HR16: Per Consumer Reports: 50-series (and lower) much more prone to pothole damage - especially not good if spouse is driving alone at night.
- $$$ not spent on 15" or 16" alloy wheels was used for much needed suspension overhaul.

Sway Bars:
- Currently stock.
- Considered a matched pair of upgraded sway bars to preserve balanced response & improve handling.
- Considered Whiteline: However, front sway bar "for off-road only."
- Is the upgraded Whiteline rear sway bar designed to be used with the stock front sway bar for on-road applications? Or will front & rear handling characteristics no longer match?

I found the following information on the Tokico web site.

Anti-roll or Sway bars

A suspension does not have to have anti-roll bars, however they are quite common on many vehicles. The anti-roll bar is designed to help reduce body roll or lean. By using anti-roll bars, vehicle manufacturers are able to reduce spring stiffness. Softer springs improve ride quality and they help adhesion in many situations.


Anti-roll bars can also be used to improve handling balance. However, bars that are too large (too stiff) can reduce adhesion on slick surfaces. This is especially true on snow and ice. They can also be a disadvantage for serious off-road driving.

Tokico Blue: Very pleased with handling improvement and ride comfort.

Originally Posted by white90dx

What is your true final purpose for the car? That will help people give better suggestions.

-Charlie

Goals:
- Daily driver in all four seasons (includes ice, sleet, & snow). Note: 8 wheels w/tires. We use 4 dedicated snows each winter for best possible traction.
- Sleeper: first-class ticket to rapid transit without attracting attention (visually or sonically).
- Best possible handling without negatively affecting ride quality.
- Shortest possible braking distance - accident prevention.
- We really appreciate the fuel economy of this car and do not need blazing acceleration (i.e. 0 to 60 in 5 seconds.)