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Old 07-01-2006, 10:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Octane need for the 268hp V-6?

Hi guys,I just picked up my '07 XLE last night and was told to use regular.
Others have said 93 octane.
Maybe I'll go with 89 octane.
What's the best to use?
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Old 07-01-2006, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi guys,I just picked up my '07 XLE last night and was told to use regular.
Others have said 93 octane.
Maybe I'll go with 89 octane.
What's the best to use?

Go for 93 dude, i tried 89 and the acceleration is not the same it runs very slow but after i put in 93 it felt just like the day i ran it out the dealership!......93 maybe a little expensier than 89 but is worth it dude, IT'S A GOOD CAR, TREAT IT GOOD!
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Old 07-01-2006, 11:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Mid grade 87/89 is the recommended fuel as stated in the owner's manual.
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Old 07-01-2006, 12:33 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Go for 93 dude, i tried 89 and the acceleration is not the same it runs very slow but after i put in 93 it felt just like the day i ran it out the dealership!......93 maybe a little expensier than 89 but is worth it dude, IT'S A GOOD CAR, TREAT IT GOOD!
Filling your car with a higher octane fuel than it's designed is not "treating it good" it is treating it bad!
It's designed for 87 octane. Use 87 octane. If you were to reprogram for a higher mixture, that's another story. Stock is calibrated for 87 octane.
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Old 07-01-2006, 01:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I had an 94 v6 and I always used 89. I plan on using 89 again on my 07...

Using 93 doesn't necessarily give better performance, they are just used on "performance engines"...

" The compression ratio of your engine determines the octane rating of the gas you must use in the car." http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question90.htm
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Old 07-01-2006, 02:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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We have 3 Toyota V6's in the immediate family. My 1999 V6 S/C'd which only get's 93, a 1995 Avalon V6 and 2006 Highlander V6 AWD that I'll switch between 87 and 93 and I can definitely feel a difference between the different grades. The 95 and 06 run fine (i.e. no knocking) on 89 but there is a definite difference in power (i.e. when stepping on the gas there is less of a 'surge of power' with 89 and overall the vehicle doesn't feel as smooth/refined (i.e. it doesn't feel like there is extra power on tap) They say 89 is recommended because A)it will run fine on it, with the ECU preventing knock and B) there are people out there that wouldn't buy the vehicle if they said they only recommended 93 octane. The Highlander is my wife's daily driver and since gas prices are so high we've just been putting 89 in it, but if I was driving it more often we'd put 93 in it.

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Filling your car with a higher octane fuel than it's designed is not "treating it good" it is treating it bad!
It's designed for 87 octane. Use 87 octane. If you were to reprogram for a higher mixture, that's another story. Stock is calibrated for 87 octane.
Respectfully, that's not correct. These engines are, in effect, programmed to use either. The ECU reads the input from the knock sensors in the block, and adjusts ignition timing accordingly. It's perfectly OK to use 87, but if you do, the ECU will keep timing retarded sufficiently to keep the engine from starting to knock. If you use 93 octane, the ECU will be able to significantly advance the ignition timing, without triggering knock. This increases both the efficiency and output of the engine. You may or may not observe a difference in mileage (which may not offset the price delta), but you will feel the improved acceleration if you use 93 octane. Another issue that can come into play is that retarding timing results in hotter combustion. This is probably not an issue in an engine designed to operate this way, but could become an issue long-term, or if some other issue (e.g. cooling problem) is added to the mix. Bottom line, with this car, pick the fuel that matches your preferences -- 87 if cheap is you top criterion, 93 if you're looking for better performance.
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Filling your car with a higher octane fuel than it's designed is not "treating it good" it is treating it bad!
It's designed for 87 octane. Use 87 octane. If you were to reprogram for a higher mixture, that's another story. Stock is calibrated for 87 octane.

Oh god! so you drove my car dude? who was feeling the car slower while driving it me or you? i'm speaking for myself and the experience i had with my car so i'm just trying to help the guy out with what i've gone thru so don't be crapping my reply dude that's not the way to do it, by the way.........CHECK YOUR MANUAL, if i'm not mistaken you should put 93, not 87!
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hey i got question what about my 95 4 banger equipped camry it says to use to 87 octane but i been giving it 93 is it actually giving me more performance or im just wasting money?
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I have my LE I4 for a week now. I have not filled up yet. Im still confused about which gas to get. My manual says

"Unleaded gasoline, Octane Rating 87 (research octaine number 91) or higher"

I spoke to one of the guys in the shop where I picked up my car and he said use 87 unleaded for now but when you starting feeling your giving a rev to use the 93 gas. I was like WTF. My dad is telling me to use the 93 cause it's the best. Im still confused what to use. Should I go with the 93?
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I4 89, I5/V5 91, V6 93
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My RX300's manual says "87 is recommended but for better performance using 93". I'm always got 93 for my V6's and got better MPG's.

This issue is debated endlessly so you better try 87 and only switch to 93 if getting knocking or having extra cash :-)
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Octane...

Ekpolk is correct. I have worked in the IT dept of one of the very largest oil companies for years, and I quiz engineers in gasoline and lube areas every chance I get. It is true that if your car is not capable of taking advantage of higher octane than is recommended by the maker, and it's not knocking, then buying a higher octane gas is a waste. (Except if you buy from a company that puts more detergents in their mid and premium grades. I'm happy to say we use the same additive pack in every grade.) However, some late model cars are capable of taking advantage of higher grades, usually those with fairly high compression ratios or forced induction. In those cases, the engine computer gives the engine as much spark advance as the engine will take without knocking, resulting in a few extra hp when higher octane gas is used, and sometimes a bit better mileage too. (That works only to a point of course.) I suspect (and have read others suspect) that Toyota has rated the 3.5 in the Camry for Regular to keep people from crying about the cost of premium, and rated the same engine for premium in Lexus applications to be able to advertise a small horsepower advantage over the lower priced Camry. Put premium in your 2007 Camry V6, and you may be making more like 274hp instead of 268hp if the 3.5 is indeed set up like this.
Running 93 octane in a car for which the manual specifies 87 or 89 octane will not harm it, but it MAY be a waste of money, depending on the car.
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I have my LE I4 for a week now. I have not filled up yet. Im still confused about which gas to get. My manual says

"Unleaded gasoline, Octane Rating 87 (research octaine number 91) or higher"

I spoke to one of the guys in the shop where I picked up my car and he said use 87 unleaded for now but when you starting feeling your giving a rev to use the 93 gas. I was like WTF. My dad is telling me to use the 93 cause it's the best. Im still confused what to use. Should I go with the 93?
All you need to run is 87.
The octane ratings in the US are a average of Motor Octane Number [MON] and Research Octane Number [RON].
When you look at the pump you should see RON + MON/2
This is why other countries [like Japan] seem to have such higher octane numbers.
They use RON instead of our average.
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I think SUNOCO has come out with a 100 Octane street legal gasoline a the pumps here in New York/New Jersey area. it cost $5.99 per gallon.
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