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Blackbob21 · 03-25-2003, 04:06 AM

Ok, so I've got my intake and exhaust installed, and was just wondering if anyone could give an tips as to what I should do next. This project is going from paycheck to paycheck so I've got about $400US/mo to spend/save up. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

-Bob

***SCEPTER300RR*** · 03-25-2003, 04:35 AM

u want looks or power??

soundlzrd · 03-25-2003, 09:46 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackbob21
Ok, so I've got my intake and exhaust installed, and was just wondering if anyone could give an tips as to what I should do next. This project is going from paycheck to paycheck so I've got about $400US/mo to spend/save up. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

-Bob [/QUOTE0

Buy everything from Sean at CT Motorsport.

All depends what you are looking for. Personally, i would go springs and struts. It would be about a month and a half of your budget, but it would be sweet.

speedemn · 03-25-2003, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Blackbob21
Ok, so I've got my intake and exhaust installed, and was just wondering if anyone could give an tips as to what I should do next. This project is going from paycheck to paycheck so I've got about $400US/mo to spend/save up. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

-Bob

You have the same car that I used to have. From the start that you've got on this one, it looks as though you are more performance oriented. Can you elaborate a bit more on exactly what your 'exhaust' mod entails? Is it catback, or full exhaust, etc?

Is your Camry an auto or 5-spd? If it is not 5-spd I would suggest that you save up for 2-3 months and do a 5-spd conversion... that's the best bang for the buck for performance gain. You'll have to find a good shop to do it for you though.

Another smaller mod to consider would be lightened crank pulley.

Blackbob21 · 03-26-2003, 07:12 AM

Well, the exhaust is a cat back upgrade to 2 1/4" w/muffler and tip, and you're right, speedemn, I'm more performance oriented with this car. It is an auto, and I'd really like for it to be a manual, but I'm not sure whether that's a good idea, as this is south dakota and there aren't any very good shops around here. Shooot, I'd do it myself if I was a little more familiar with the car. What would lightening the crank pulley entail? I'm a pretty competent weekend mechanic with a lot of friends so I'm more than willing to engage in that kind of project myself. Thanks for responding, by the way.

-Bob

Blackbob21 · 03-26-2003, 07:15 AM

I really, really, really like driving a 5spd, too...

-Bob

speedemn · 03-26-2003, 07:51 AM

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What would lightening the crank pulley entail? I'm a pretty competent weekend mechanic with a lot of friends so I'm more than willing to engage in that kind of project myself. Thanks for responding, by the way.

-Bob

A lightened crank pulley can be bought from Unorthodox Racing (www.unorthodoxracing.com). You might even want to look for group deals on this since there is always a demand for it.

I don't think there are any other manufacturers that make this pulley for the Camry.

Basically it replaces your stock crank pulley, underdriving it. The stock crank pulley is about 5" in diameter (I'm trying to recall from long past memory here) and weighs about 7 lbs. The Unorthodox Racing crank pulley is about 1.5" in diameter and weighs just over 1 lb. So as you can see the rotating diameter is greatly reduced thus underdriving the other 2 pulleys (alternator and power steering). It works sort of like a bike, switching to a lower gear. It gives less power to power steering and alternator and the power saved there is gained at the crank.

Accessory belts would logically become shorter as well. Those will run about $30 for both belts at the hardware store.

Its one of those little mods you can do, since you don't have all that many options. I'm glad to be of any help. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions.

rpj1984 · 03-26-2003, 09:30 AM

NOPI also has the Unorthodox pulley and it is like $20 cheaper.

http://www.nopionline.com/index.cfm?...ulley&vaffid=0

Blackbob21 · 03-27-2003, 02:49 AM

Hmmm...That's sounds like a good idea, underdrive pulley...But, I haven't had much time to explore that idea. A couple of questions about it arises, though: Does that change the functionality of the other accessories? I've got 700 watts being pulled from the electical system with my amplifier and I haven't upgraded the alternator yet. And how, exactly would it affect the power steering; could I just do away with the pump altogether, or is that not feasable? One more thing, is this a mod that the stock computer can make compensations for? I apologise for all the questions, but this sounds very interesting and I'd greatly appreciate all who helped this noob out. Thanks again, speedemn and rpj1984.

-Bob

Blackbob21 · 03-27-2003, 02:57 AM

Also, where would I be able to find the belts for this type of work?

-Bob

speedemn · 03-27-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Blackbob21
Hmmm...That's sounds like a good idea, underdrive pulley...But, I haven't had much time to explore that idea. A couple of questions about it arises, though: Does that change the functionality of the other accessories? I've got 700 watts being pulled from the electical system with my amplifier and I haven't upgraded the alternator yet. And how, exactly would it affect the power steering; could I just do away with the pump altogether, or is that not feasable? One more thing, is this a mod that the stock computer can make compensations for? I apologise for all the questions, but this sounds very interesting and I'd greatly appreciate all who helped this noob out. Thanks again, speedemn and rpj1984.

-Bob

I had a system that had upto a 1600W RMS draw (double that PMPO). After a while I did experience headilght dimming issues when my subs hit, but I had subs with big balls. I ended up replacing my battery which is a Canadian Tire brand battery with a Interstate 1000CA battery and that seemed to help a lot. But I was thinking about beefing up my alternator as well or getting a capacitor.

The ECU will make any necessary adjustments to redirect the extra power from the ps and alt to the crank. You COULD theoretically bypass the power steering, but for the few HP you gain out of that, is it really worth the extra hassle of not having power steering? It would get to be a pain in the ass, but if you don't mind the extra workout everytime you make a turn or lane change then go for it.

Lastly, what do you mean by "is this a mod that the stock computer can make compensations for?"

Blackbob21 · 03-28-2003, 04:48 AM

Thanks for the input. You answered the "stock computer" question for me when you mentioned the ECU, so thanx. I guess I don't really have to worry about the electrical system right away, if you're pushing twice as much as me and you don't have any problems. Also, what about the controversy surrounding underdrive pulleys (undue engined wear and stuff)? I see from your website that you've had one for quite a while now and I was just wondering exactly what people were worried about (I didn't find much of an explaination on this forum). Why can't you just include the stock harmonic balancer in the aftermarket pulley's install?

Thanks again,

Bob

speedemn · 03-28-2003, 06:47 AM

Well, saying that an underdrive pulley would cause undue engine wear, is the same as saying that a CAI causes undue engine wear... or a supercharger causes undue engine wear.

All mods will cause greater engine wear because you are driving the motor harder. But a good motor is meant to be driven. We wouldn't be here if we were not interested in performance. Performance does cause wear and tear on the engine; it is basic physics. The pulley however does not give that much of a power boost to make you concerned about undue engine wear. No worries...

Blackbob21 · 03-28-2003, 03:48 PM

Right on...thanks for all the info, guys.

-Bob