5S-FE turbo conversion

[draco12369]

I just got a 3sgte head and the exhaust manifold and ct26 that comes with it. I want to put it on my 92 camry and I was just wondering what I would have to do to prepare my engine for it. I also plan to put a manual 5 speed on it. I already put a vortech fmu on it and supra turbo injectors and a msd sci ignition.

[kikassboy]

just curious which parts u used exactly and from where

[draco12369]

Well I got the parts from my friend, I havent actually put the tubo on the car yet i'm just trying to see what i need first. As for what i already put on i put on a Vortech boost dependent fuel pressure regulator which i got from ebay. 89 turbo supra injectors which were given to me, and the MSD SCI-L ignition box also got from ebay. I am going to rebuild teh 3sgte head and I heard that you can bolt it up to the 5sfe just the coolant passages are a little smaller on the 5sfe but i don't know about that one.

[smokey8890]

How to put a 3S-GTE head on a 5 SFE
I know this is a double post but it might be worth it for some of th NA owners.

Before we start talking about turbo charging, I want to let 5SFE owners know that they can also use the 3S-GTE head for NORMAL ASPIRATED application, but it would require custom made pistons to raise the compression ratio back to at least 9.5:1 or higher, about $550.00 and a custom made exhaust.

Now lets talk turbo ……Remember ……. There is no such thing as cheap turbo charging.

Things to think about before you start this project:

1.How much do I want to spend?
2.How much boost am I going to want?
3.How am I going to control all of this? …. Yes engine Management. I used an Autronic SMC

Engine Requirements:

1. Complete 3S-GTE head with cams, cam gear, timing belt tensioner, 3S-GTE cam belt and a complete inlet manifold..
2. Turbo setup. CT26 with exhaust requirements or what ever you want
3. 3S-GTE head gasket such as the TTE available in a 1.2 and 1.4 mm thickens
4. 3S-GTE oil pump. I am not sure if oil pressure and flow for the 5SFE oil pump is the same as that of the 3S-GTE, therefore my suggestion to use a 3S-GTE oil pump. Better safe than sorry.

Note: If you are going to build a high output motor I strongly suggest you get a set of connecting rods available from Pauter (www.pauter.com) and a set of Forged Wiseco Pistons available from any Wiseco dealer or me. Wiseco require dealers to order a minimum of eight pistons so it might be a good idea for potential 5 SFE turbo builders to do a Group Purchase.

Oil Supply for the Turbo:

This can be done by taping a 10 mm (3/8) elbow into the oil channel on the filter side of the block between the last two main crankshaft journals. Make sure the oil channel is thoroughly cleaned afterwards. There are also other methods to explore.

Now for the real thing…
Presuming that the 5 SFE engine is removed and stripped to the bare block.

1. Thoroughly clean the top of the block. Make sure it is 100% clean
2. Now give the cleaned area a coating of Mechanics Blue
3. Correctly place the head gasket you are going to use on top of the block
4. With a scribe, mark the positions of the water ports.
5. Remove the head gasket.

I used the following procedure to remove metal from the block. If you do not feel comfortable to do so, take the block to your local engineering works and let them do it for you. It should not cost more than say $60.00

Tools Required:
1. Center Punch
2. Slow speed drill
3. 5 mm Drill bit
4. 4 mm Tungsten Carbide burr

Procedure:
1. Center punch the areas to be drilled (these are the water port areas you marked).
2. Now with the drill and 5 mm bit, drill out all the areas marked. Normally two holes per water port. Make sure that you do not drill beyond the marked areas.
3. With the drill and 4 mm tungsten carbide burr remove all the remaining metal
4. Have the block “decked” by your local engineering works.
5. Assemble the engine as if it was a 3S-GTE
6. Make sure the oil supply and drainage, to and from the turbo, is sufficient.

Note: Get a 3S-GTE oil pan or have yours custom fitted with a return point for the turbo drain.

One more note.

The 3S-GTE-exhaust manifold fits the 5 SFE head. That means that you can use the very available CT26 turbo as a bolt on, on your 5 SFE engine, without going to a 3S-GTE head. How much HP? Don’t know but I am sure that 300 is fairly easily achievable…


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[crazy_camry]

how about the 3s-fe?

[djprefix]

Yea, I would suggest just putting on the 3sgte exhaust manifold and turbo. You'll have to do A LOT of work for you to put on the head, including a new intake manifold, throttle body, ECU, and wiring harness.

BOLTING ON A 3SGTE HEAD ONTO A 5SFE ENGINE IS NOT SIMPLE!!!!

To just make a turbo setup it can be pretty easy. Most of the information that you'll need is in the previous reply. My suggestion is just to make it turbo, don't put a 3sgte head on.

You probably won't need the boost dependent fuel pressure regulator for the 5sfe, since you have a MAP sensor. You'll need to put in a higher sensing MAP sensor though, how high will depend on how much boost you run. You'll just need to put on the 3sgte exhaust manifold the same way that you would a 5sfe exhaust manifold. You can tap the head where the stock oil pressure sensor is and run an oil line to the turbo, then put in a tap onto the oil pan for the return line. You'll also have to make a downpipe and a pipe to go from the turbo to the intake manifold. If you have aim you can msg me(name is phreakbox2) and I'll answer all of your questions.

[92camrygts1]

i have 3sgte parts if anyone needs anything let me know.

[88 LE]

Put on the manifold and turbo. Forget about the head for now and get rid of the Vortech FMU.

You'll need to get a 3S-GTE MAP sensor. The stock one is not able to see boost.

[2drcam]

You'll need to get a 3S-GTE MAP sensor. The stock one is not able to see boost.

you mean you put the 3S-GTE sensor on the 5SFE motor right?

[88 LE]

Originally posted by 2drcam
you mean you put the 3S-GTE sensor on the 5SFE motor right?

Yup. Replace the stock MAP sensor with one from a 3S-GTE (MR2 Turbo or Celica All-Trac).

[kocho]

Originally posted by smokey8890
... The 3S-GTE-exhaust manifold fits the 5 SFE head. That means that you can use the very available CT26 turbo as a bolt on, on your 5 SFE engine, without going to a 3S-GTE head. How much HP? Don’t know but I am sure that 300 is fairly easily achievable…

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Would this be true for a Gen 4 Camry 5SFE?

And can someone put approx $$$ and sources for the parts list, asuming low boost (5psi or so)?

- manifold/gasket
- turbo
- injectors
- map sensor
- misc. lines and connectors
- ??? (waste gate, intercooler, boost controller) please suggest what and why

Thanks!

[kocho]

Is there a way to 'certify' your own turbo install so passing inspections is more straight-forward?

[88 LE]

Originally posted by crazy_camry
how about the 3s-fe?

A 3S-GTE head will bolt onto a 3S-FE. They share the same block, but the internals on the 3S-GTE are forged.

[88 LE]

Originally posted by kocho
Would this be true for a Gen 4 Camry 5SFE?

Yes.

- manifold/gasket
- turbo
- injectors
- map sensor
- misc. lines and connectors
- ??? (waste gate, intercooler, boost controller) please suggest what and why

Manifold: I got one for $75 from TAP Recycling. I live about 25mins away from them so I picked it up.

Exhaust manifold gasket: $15 or so from Autozone, Kragens, etc..

Turbo: Varies on the condition, size, etc... Anywhere from $100 on up.

Injectors: 360cc injectors from 2JZ-GE. Not sure on price.

MAP sensor: 3S-GTE MAP sensor from MR2 Turbo or Celica All-Trac. Not sure on price.

Lines and connectors: I recommend stainless steel braided lines and AN fittings. Figure about $200.

Wastegate: Most turbos (factory installed ones) have internal wastegates. You could use a external wastegate if you want. About $200 or so on eBay for a used one.

Intercooler: Don't need one for 5psi, but you could you use if you wanted to. You can get one from a junkyard for pretty cheap.

Boost controller: Either manual (mbc) or electronic (ebc). The wastegate controls the amount of boost you see, so you don't need a boost controller unless you plan on playing around with boost levels.

[smokey8890]

maybe you guys could help me out alil. which vortec fmu ratio will should i pick for the a 5s-fe? I know you could drop in a supra injector from a mkIV but from which engine 2JZGE or 7MGE? and the last question. and where the hell can i find a map sensor? all the junk yard don't seem to have any mr2 or supra. thanx guys.

oops. i didn't read carefully on the last post. i thought the injector that is needed is a saturated 315cc.