I think i need a new engine! PLEASE HELP ME!

[MalooMAN]

the other day my dad started up my gen2 and it went bang, #*$^@, clang, ding, and crash. and it was also really hard to start. it blew a bit of dark grey smoke, and now u can start it and it runs but makes alot of noise. what should i do? i think it is a 3sfe, but im not sure. Is that all 4cyl gen2's came in? i want to get a celica angine coz i was told that they are the same. how much will 1 of them set me back in AUS? WHAT SHOULD I DO? oh and dad dont want me to have a turbo coz he thinks it has enough power is it is. I WANT A TURBO!!! The other day i seen a black 90 something celica that had been sideswiped, roled, and prob a tree into the roof. if it is a 2wd should i get it? or do the have the same motor for the 4wd 1's?

Oh and if you are going to give me prices on things PLEASE convert to $AUS.

[nort0188]

4WD Celi's have the 3S-GTE, in the US at least, I would assume the same for Aus. I don't know a damn thing about prices though.

[Talisman]

The NA (non-turbo) 2wd models that you were talking about have the 3sge engine in it. Less powerful than the turbo but much easier to do a swap, cheaper, and still a huge amount of potential.

[djprefix]

You can use any engine from the 86-89 celicas, they had the 3sfe, 3sge and 3sgte. You can also use the 3sfe and 3sge's transmissions. Scope the junkyards, most engines there are pretty cheap and just need a basic rebuild.

[MalooMAN]

My gen2 seems to be going allright for now. i sprayed sum WD-40 around the injector wireing and it started going good. it has its good days and its bad days. the place i took it to, to get my head gasket done sprayed it with water to clean it and i think it had a little bit of water in it. do you's know of any way to test a motor in a wrekers to c if it is still running well? should i take a battery with me and sum petrol to squrt down into the fireing chamber? and try and kick it over? what should i do?

[MalooMAN]

how do i tell the diff of a 3sfe, 3sge and 3sgte? and does anyone have any pics of the dif engins? what one is the best for power with out a turbo?

[MalooMAN]

i found some info on a 3sge motor. mite help some ppl Link

[djprefix]

Well the you can tell a 3sgte because it has the turbo. YOu can tell the 3sfe from the 3sge because of the valve cover and the 3sge has an exhaust manifold that looks like it's from a 5sfe.

[MalooMAN]

I found a page that has info on doing a enging swap on a Celica to a 3S-GTE, i thought they came with a 3S-GTE.3S-GTE swap page

[88 LE]

Originally posted by MalooMAN
i thought they came with a 3S-GTE.

Celica All Trac and GT-4 come with a 3S-GTE.

[MalooMAN]

The 3SGE and 3SGTE are important engines in the Toyota line-up. It is the most potent of all the Toyota 4 cylinder engines in the important 2000cc class. Celica, Camry, MR2, RAV4, and Corolla owners can benefit by upgrading to this engine.
For Celicas, Camrys, MR2s, and RAV4s- equipped with the 3S, 3SFE, 5SFE- engines the natural upgrade is the 3SGTE with horsepower ranging from 200 to 245 HP in the different generations. With minor bolt-on upgrades power up to 300 is attainable. Internally-built engines can produce up to 350 safely. The standard transmissions can be used, but be aware that you are running a lot more horsepower.
For a milder set-up the 3SGE may be adequate. Naturally aspirated the 3SGE is available from 140 to 210 HP. The 2nd generation (never imported to the US) produces 170 HP and relatively cheap. This has compatibility with parts from the US engines, and is therefore easier to get parts for. The 3rd generation has 200 HP, and we support parts for this engine. The 4th generation with VVTi has 210 HP, but is very expensive.
With such a wide choice of engines, it is more the budget rather than HP availability that will determine your choice. Converting engines will require changing harness, ECU, AFM, related relays and igniters. No these are not legal in the US, unless you use US model engines (which limit you to the 1st generation 3SGE and 3SGTE, in the Celicas, or the 2nd generation 3SGTE in the MR2s and AllTracs).
Japanese imported engines do not have EGRs- an important smog device required in US engines. It is impossible to modify a non-EGR head. Emission controls in Japan are stricter than the US, so the engines actually run cleaner, but they will fail any visual smog inspection.
Celica Notes: Any S engined Celica is relatively easy to do, if you have all the correct parts. Celicas with the A engines will require a new transmission, new engine brackets and new power steering and ac lines. For turbo, read the following MR2 notes. Stick with the 2nd generation engines as it has a built-in air-to-air intercooler.
MR2 Notes: Turbo conversions are best done using the 3SGTE, rather than turbo kits. 3SGTEs drop in easily with minor rewiring and the usual new resistors, igniters, and relays. You need the correct engine harness, ECU, and AFM. We normally stock complete conversion kits. Changing transmissions is not critical, but if you plan very heavy use go get the turbo transmission. This will require new axles, depending on the year model of the transmission, ABS, LSD, etc. The 3SGE is a good substitute to the 5SFE, in fact in Japan it is the standard normally aspirated engine. For the ultimate- drop a 3SGTE in an AW11!
Corolla Notes: The 3SGE and 3SGTE engines have been installed in the FWD and RWD Corolla models. In RWD configuration, new intake and exhaust manifolds need to be fabricated or the original units reoriented, since these engines were originally designed and installed at an angle. See our list of RWD conversion parts- NOTE this is to fit the 3SGE or 3SGTE into a RWD chassis, not to convert cars to RWD. The only exception is the 4th generation VVTi engines that came in RWD form only! In FWD, new brackets for the engine and transmission need to be fabricated.
These are general guidelines. We have no step-by-step instructions to do these conversions, since there are a lot of variables involved. Do not attempt if you are doing this conversion by yourself and feel you are not up to the task or your shop has never done one before. See the 3SGE / 3SGTE TECH NOTES also.

[zoni]

do some searching about engine swaps if you really want a different engine... it will cost you a lot of money, between 2 and 5 grand depending on options, upgrades, and anything else. The mr2 forums have a TON of info on swaps between the 5sfe and 3sgte or 3sge... heres the link for that... MR2 Forums