Building supercharged 3S-FE - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Eqoistig · 08-06-2003, 06:35 AM

So...I plannig to build in future for my gen2 Camry a littlebit special engine. I'm going for low rpm torque, not so much for high rewwing power. First, I thought, to buy 3S-GTE engine and remove the supercharger and replace it with supercharger (better for daily driving, smoother torque, "easier to fix, etc).

But the law in here Finland sucks! There are certain things you cannot do. You must not have over 1hp/per 7kg and so on...
And if you want to change your engine, you have to have many many proofs from it's hp, emission...brakes must be...blaa blaa.
And If you change too many parts for your car, you must pay "car tax" (I don't know real name in engish). Anyway it's very expensive.

To the point: I'm going to buy supercharger, 3S-GTE internals and change them to 3S-FE block, so it would like a 3S-FE, still keeping FE head (fuel economy, low torque) with little modifications (better flow). Having license to boost here, is what I think, easier than getting 3S-GTE licenses for camry.

Conclusion: "they" think I just have a low hp 3S-FE with supercharger, what I have is a 3S-FE/GTE hybrid with lots a torque and some hp. What do you quys think and suggest me to do? I'm all open for advices and suggestions. (sorry about bad englesh

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crazy_camry · 08-06-2003, 07:12 PM

i think up the top you mean "remove the turbocharger and replace it with a supercharger". i was considering supercharging my 3s-fe (make it a 3s-fze), especially when there was a company in Australia that made a kit for it, but they seem to have gone out of business, or at least their website is shut down. but i ended up deciding to turbo it as it is not that hard a commitment (except when you're a poor high school student-i only got turbo that needs to be rebuilt, manifold, and intercooler so far). if you want to supercharge it good luck to you, but i think you'd be on your own as i don't know if anyone has done it before on this board that could give you advice. the s/c kit i mentioned above, at 5psi, the camry went from 88kw up to 120kw.

Eqoistig · 08-07-2003, 03:15 AM

Yes, that was what I meant. Yes I know I would be on my own, you were first I even heard about s/c 3S-FE.
And yes, I am a poor high-school kid, going for final year (4yr school) so the project belongs to the future, but I think it's good to start studying things before you do anything. Backrounds of everything, like how much boost can head hold etc...

I'm just so pissed about those "teenage"-hondas who think they are so cool in their small-deathtrap cars, when they beat bigger cars like Camry. Thats just so annoying.

djprefix · 08-07-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Eqoistig

I'm just so pissed about those "teenage"-hondas who think they are so cool in their small-deathtrap cars, when they beat bigger cars like Camry. Thats just so annoying.

Oh man, and I thought that was only a problem out here in the states. The rice rockets are spreading!!!!

Eqoistig · 08-07-2003, 06:19 PM

Theyr'e spreadig all over the world, just like plague...
We crusaders have to humiliate all the heretics! :p

crazy_camry · 08-07-2003, 11:41 PM

we got our fair share of ricey honda's over in australia too.

the name of the aussie company making those s/c's was Stealth Induction, but as i said their website is gone.

xavior66 · 08-08-2003, 12:20 AM

Heh, believe it or not, even all the way down here in "good ol' Louisiana" there are quite a few car enthusiasts, and also just as many ricer-roni's!

There are some nice cars though, just in the city where I live in. Local MKIV Supra (white colored and with bodykit!), 2 local Nissan 350Zs, at least 2 or 3 really nice old cars that are in awesome condition, semi-local turbo-charged Mitsubishi Eclipse, a nice looking Honda del Sol showcar, tons of riced out Civics, and then of course is my lil' gen. 2! :p

Eqoistig · 08-08-2003, 08:15 AM

crazy_camry: I found a picture of s/c 3S-FE from www.camryman.org, pasttimes-gen2-page 6.

xavior66 · 08-08-2003, 09:08 AM

Errrr....guess I'll go ahead and inform you before someone else does it in a more "unfriendly" fashion...

I seriously doubt that's a supercharger there. Looks more like a turbo setup to me. And speaking of exhaust-related stuff, where the heck is the O2 sensor on that manifold?

DIRTBIKEZ · 08-08-2003, 10:22 AM

Thats a centrifugal supercharger.

xavior66 · 08-08-2003, 11:26 AM

On that page, wow, that Thomas Hansen dude has some nice looking rims on that blue V6.

djprefix · 08-08-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by xavior66
Errrr....guess I'll go ahead and inform you before someone else does it in a more "unfriendly" fashion...

I seriously doubt that's a supercharger there. Looks more like a turbo setup to me. And speaking of exhaust-related stuff, where the heck is the O2 sensor on that manifold?

That's a centrifugal supercharger

rezzle · 08-08-2003, 03:36 PM

Eqoistig:

You can always govern the thing by putting in a restrictor plate( a metal plate with a smaller diameter hole than the throttle body to limit HP ) to get the car dyno'd (proof of HP) then remove the plate afterwards.

Secondly, no one 'really' needs to drive at 220KPH and being that you live in a small country I would assume most trips are quite short. If you have the money you should also look into getting custom gearing in the transaxle to change the ratio. This will give you way more acceleration.

Oh and don't forget to consider propane

keep us updated on how you are doing.

Good luck

88 LE · 08-08-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by xavior66
I seriously doubt that's a supercharger there. Looks more like a turbo setup to me.

Its a supercharger. It replaces the a/c compressor and is driven by a belt.

A turbo bolts onto a manifold (on the exhaust side of the head).

This is a turbo:

Eqoistig · 08-08-2003, 04:14 PM

Thanks everyone for replys.

rezzle: I don't think the hps are the problem, it's just a celicas/mr2 engine and that makes it difficult. You have to get proofs from engine history and so on, are your brakes enough..blaa blaa.
You can add by the law 20% hp and 25% more displacement from the car powerfullest model. And if you have kat (I don't), you cannot change engine except if you have lots of money... so...1.2*ap.160hp(gen2 V6) = 192. So it would be enough if you change V6 brakes and suspension. And then just get licenses and proof about hp for s/c 3S-FTE, It would not be problem as long as you keep your old block, so it would look like 3S-FE. Finland's law just sucks as*.

I don't exactly want sports car. I want sleeper street car, I drive long distances and city. So I want torque and fuel economy.
Camry is not made for racing, but you can still drive it fast.

I remaind everybody, this is still future thing, unless I get lots of money soon. Just studying things.