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Old 05-27-2008, 12:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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abs x brake light on for my sienna??

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My abs light and brake light remains on. The fluid is not low so I'm guessing it's indication that pads are getting low?

I took a look at it and they were low I suppose, but not that low.

Or is my ABS in trouble?

Car is 2002 Sienna.
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If the fluid isn't low you will need to check for codes. Without that, it's just a guessing game...

Why did you post this in the Camry forum anyways?
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The ABS s light has nothing to do with the brake fluid level or the brake pad life. The light turns on as an indication that the ABS system has been disabled because a trouble code was reported. If you go under the hood, find the diagnostic connector (black, about 1x3") and connect terminals Tc and E1, the ABS light will start blinking out a two digit code. Record the code, report back here, and we'll see if we can guide you in the right direction. Until the problem is fixed, you'll be riding without ABS.
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The ABS s light has nothing to do with the brake fluid level or the brake pad life. The light turns on as an indication that the ABS system has been disabled because a trouble code was reported. If you go under the hood, find the diagnostic connector (black, about 1x3") and connect terminals Tc and E1, the ABS light will start blinking out a two digit code. Record the code, report back here, and we'll see if we can guide you in the right direction. Until the problem is fixed, you'll be riding without ABS.
How come both is on? I can understand if ABS was on itself, but what about both?

Could it be something serious? i mean does it mean the ABS is hashed or what? I'll try pull the code.

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The ABS s light has nothing to do with the brake fluid level or the brake pad life. The light turns on as an indication that the ABS system has been disabled because a trouble code was reported. If you go under the hood, find the diagnostic connector (black, about 1x3") and connect terminals Tc and E1, the ABS light will start blinking out a two digit code. Record the code, report back here, and we'll see if we can guide you in the right direction. Until the problem is fixed, you'll be riding without ABS.

Okay, I'm pretty sure I pulled these codes.. I watched the pattern and saw
3blinks pause 2 blinks, - mediocre longer pause
3blinks pause 3 blinks, - mediocre longer pause
3 blinks pause 4 blinks, - mediocre longer pause.

So I'm pretty sure that's what it is, unless I'm completely off track.
What part is defective and if so should I order it and have a shop fix it? this is my folk's car and wanna help them out.

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Well, I was expecting you to have a 30-something code, but not three of them. Here's the code breakdown:

32: Left front wheel speed sensor malfunction
33: Right rear ""
34: Left rear ""

It's odd that you have three of these codes at once. Speed sensor failure is not unusual, but 3 out of 4 pooping on you at once is highly suspect. They are all on separate corners of the car and run on individual circuits. Recheck the codes maybe?
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Well, I was expecting you to have a 30-something code, but not three of them. Here's the code breakdown:

32: Left front wheel speed sensor malfunction
33: Right rear ""
34: Left rear ""

It's odd that you have three of these codes at once. Speed sensor failure is not unusual, but 3 out of 4 pooping on you at once is highly suspect. They are all on separate corners of the car and run on individual circuits. Recheck the codes maybe?
We did go to the beach that morning and the car was heavy and the drive kinda brutal, but I don't think that is the cause? Or could the alignment be the problem?

Shall I video the codes? I was watching the ABS thing blink and I'm pretty sure that's what I got. I'll try vid it and post a link if that's cool. Cuz normally if its one code, it would be constant, but I had different blinks.

But if anything, what's the cost for this type of repair?

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We did go to the beach that morning and the car was heavy and the drive kinda brutal, but I don't think that is the cause? Or could the alignment be the problem?

Shall I video the codes? I was watching the ABS thing blink and I'm pretty sure that's what I got. I'll try vid it and post a link if that's cool. Cuz normally if its one code, it would be constant, but I had different blinks.

But if anything, what's the cost for this type of repair?

Thanks.
Alright, when you went to the beach, did the car get bogged down in any sand? The reason I ask is that the speed sensors are magnets that are mounted against a little serrated rotor, and if you get debris on the face of the sensor or inside the serrations, the signal would be interrupted and these codes will set.

Speed sensors are about $150 - $200 each and about .5hr labor to install.
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Shit. lol

I don't think so. We had the car heavy, but dont' think any debris went in. We didn't even drive in the sand. Could alignment issues be a thing - though we already have had that problem? Should I have a shop look at it and just get it done?

How do i send the file as a mp3g?

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Alignment isn't going to be an issue here. The codes mean that the ABS computer isn't receiving a signal from the indicated sensor(s). Troubleshooting at this point would consist of disconnecting the sensor at the plug in the wheel well and measuring voltage at the terminals while you spin the wheel. The spinning wheel should generate an AC signal.

As far as the video, I have no idea. Have you double checked the code readout since you first posted? The pattern for the codes is something like this, for example code 23 and 11 would be:

<blink blink> short pause <blink blink blink> long pause <blink> short pause <blink> long pause
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Alignment isn't going to be an issue here. The codes mean that the ABS computer isn't receiving a signal from the indicated sensor(s). Troubleshooting at this point would consist of disconnecting the sensor at the plug in the wheel well and measuring voltage at the terminals while you spin the wheel. The spinning wheel should generate an AC signal.

As far as the video, I have no idea. Have you double checked the code readout since you first posted? The pattern for the codes is something like this, for example code 23 and 11 would be:

<blink blink> short pause <blink blink blink> long pause <blink> short pause <blink> long pause
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I"m pretty sure, that's the read out I get. O man this is gonna be sucky. I lent my car to my folks because I am afraid the van being dangerous for them and I've caught the bus to work this whole week thus far.

I'll try pull the codes and record it on mp3g. Maybe I can e-mail it to you?

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The ABS s light has nothing to do with the brake fluid level
Wrong.

A former ASE Certified Toyota Technician should know better than that...

When the standard brake system has a malfunction, the ABS system also does. When the ABS system has a malfunction, it doesn't mean the standard brake system does.
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Wrong.

A former ASE Certified Toyota Technician should know better than that...

When the standard brake system has a malfunction, the ABS system also does. When the ABS system has a malfunction, it doesn't mean the standard brake system does.
You're right in this case, TRD, and showing it off normally like an asshole. I didn't see in my original reading that the OP had the red brake warning light on as well, and should have worded it differently. There is an ABS code for low brake fluid, you won't see this code alone without the red 'brake' warning on the dash, too. Good catch, dick.
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You're right in this case, TRD, and showing it off normally like an asshole. I didn't see in my original reading that the OP had the red brake warning light on as well, and should have worded it differently. There is an ABS code for low brake fluid, you won't see this code alone without the red 'brake' warning on the dash, too. Good catch, dick.
But does this trump my codes?

So how do i reset, by disconnecting NEGATIVE term?


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You're right in this case, TRD, and showing it off normally like an asshole. I didn't see in my original reading that the OP had the red brake warning light on as well, and should have worded it differently. There is an ABS code for low brake fluid, you won't see this code alone without the red 'brake' warning on the dash, too. Good catch, dick.
Asshole and dick... Boy, that's mature and intelligent.

Are you mad because you posted something that was wrong and brag about your qualifications, or mad because I said "wrong".

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So how do i reset, by disconnecting NEGATIVE term?
Yes.
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