3SFE Performance parts?

[oscaryu1]

I've recently removed the 3SFE engine from my 88' Camry as a long term project. The engine is seized due to oil starvation...

So I've been looking into modifications, read old threads, ect, and have decided to turbo it also.

After reading though weak bottom ends and grenaded pistons, I decided to go forged rods/Wiseco pistons. So my questions:

Will 3SGTE "H-beam Eagle" Rods (eBay), fit the 3SFE find? Same length as stock rod?

Will 3SGTE headers fit the 3SFE head? (Or 5SFE?), and can a 5SFE head fit on a 3SFE for performance gains?

Thanks alot guys!

[Wangan]

If the 3sfe is already out just go forward with a 3sgte swap and save yourself the hassle of rebuilding an inferior motor.

[oscaryu1]

I'm just going to do it for the experience. I'm thinking of swapping in 3SGE internals (not the head). Crankshaft, rods... into it? Is this possible? I know that the 3S lines use the same blocks.

[Wangan]

If you want the experience then go forward and do it then. I still say you will be building a motor that will probably perform slightly better than a stock 3sgte. Reason I say that is because the FE head is not designed for performance and will probably hold you back however the GE head is designed for better performance and flow. If you really want the experience then I'd say again ditch the 3sfe and atleast start with a 3sge so that you can get the most fruit from your labor. Then again if you have the know how you could be like the 7m vs. 1j guys and build an 3sfe/T that will blow a 3sgte or 3sge/T out the water. But to answer your other question. Yes I believe all 3s blocks can share bottom end internals.

[oscaryu1]

Sweet, are the pistons and such the same in the 3SFE's as in others? Or would I have to get the crank, rods, piston, ect with it?

Or would it be more affordable go get custom billet rods? Thanks!

[Wangan]

Seems like you're ready to spend money. Well I believe in my research if you're getting 3sgte rods you should use the 3sgte crank to go along with it. However you may also need the main caps from a 3sgte engine as well. The thing about those parts is that when you start building an engine from scratch you need to double and triple check your oil clearance on the bearings.before I tell you how much is involved with rebuilding an engine, exactly how much experience do you have doing this sort of stuff? I don't want to go into details you already know so we don't waste each others time.

[oscaryu1]

Not so much about cars, other than stereo/subwoofer installations, and in-depth maintenance.

Small engines (go karts, minibikes, lawnmowers, ect) I have a detailed knowledge about. Not just rebuilding and such, but racing engines (billet rods, flywheels, SS valves, chromoly this, brace that, ect)

So not much in the automotive department, but I've been researching alot these days, and I think I've got a vague idea of how it is. Here's what the problem with the engine was:




^ And yes, that wad is a bearing.



I will not be able to work on this (being a student) until spring break (March), however, if things go as I planned, I will need to locate a 3SGE (if the crankshaft + rods can hold a small turbo. Can it? I know a 3SFE can handle 7psi nicely, can a 3SGE rod + crank hold 9PSI or so?) at my local junkyard, or even a 3SGTE.

Right now I'm at the stage of removing the crankshaft bolt. I haven't gotten far, trying to use my 250ft/lbs 12V impact wrench got me nowhere. Neither did penetrants or tapping the bolt. Any tips? It seems to be held fast. Air tool time?

[Jimnist]

Defs air tool time. Or very long cheater bar time

IMO, you may as well just start off with a 3S-GTE engine and build/mod off that. But i do not know much about the performance aspects of the engines and whether which one can hold more pressure when you raise the boost other than the very vague descriptions i.e.
3S-FE economy engine
3S-GE AFAIK has the same engine as FE but with a performance oriented head - better angles, increased flow e.t.c.) so why you said "I'm thinking of swapping in 3SGE internals (not the head)" kinda confused me
3S-GTE turbo'ed camry engine XD

How do you plan on modifying it for more power?

[MR2Jedi]

So what are the differences between the 3sgte head and the 3sge head? And you're saying the 3sge head fits the 3sgte block?
Does the 3sge head accept the 3sgte intake and exhaust manifolds?
Does the 3sge head aslo accept the 3sgte fuel rail and injectors?

[oscaryu1]

Originally Posted by Jimnist

Defs air tool time. Or very long cheater bar time

IMO, you may as well just start off with a 3S-GTE engine and build/mod off that. But i do not know much about the performance aspects of the engines and whether which one can hold more pressure when you raise the boost other than the very vague descriptions i.e.
3S-FE economy engine
3S-GE AFAIK has the same engine as FE but with a performance oriented head - better angles, increased flow e.t.c.) so why you said "I'm thinking of swapping in 3SGE internals (not the head)" kinda confused me
3S-GTE turbo'ed camry engine XD

How do you plan on modifying it for more power?

I've been doing... extensive? Research through many of these 3SFE turbo threads. So anyways this is what I've come up with:

3SFE = Fuel Economy ("FE"), so I'll most likely have to port the head out a bit to regain back the flow. And since the engine seized and broke due to oil starvation, the head may have warped a bit (mill it), and since the 3SFE is already a higher compression engine (unlike the 3SGTE - low comp pistons), I read that they can take 8-10psi of boost at maximum. I'm planning on running 7psi or so, and taking the internals (crank, new Eagle H-Beam rods, pistons) from a 3SGE and placing them in the 3SFE. From there we'd encounter other problems, so I thought I'd include 3SGTE headers (as I read that 3SGE headers would fit - assumed 3SGTE would too), custom downpipe, 3SGTE intake manifold (?), 3SGTE MAP sensor, Greddy management system...

Now this is what I've dug up... Still needs more research

[Wangan]

Originally Posted by MR2BAD

So what are the differences between the 3sgte head and the 3sge head? And you're saying the 3sge head fits the 3sgte block?
Does the 3sge head accept the 3sgte intake and exhaust manifolds?
Does the 3sge head aslo accept the 3sgte fuel rail and injectors?

Uhm who said anything about these questions in this thread besides you?

Or are u asking us to get an answer?

[MR2Jedi]

Originally Posted by Wangan

Or are u asking us to get an answer?

Yes.. Did you think I was just trying to be a Smart ass?
I'm not familiar with the 3sge and as I was reading this thread, it brought up these questions in my mind..and I've been thinking about a future project. This brings possibilites to mind. So... Just seeking info from knowledgable people

[oscaryu1]

What are the "clearances" I should watch out for? (Bearing-wise wangan ) Thanks!

Also... would I need any other "goodies"? Performance oil pump, water pump, ect? Thanks alot guys, learned a ton load

[Wangan]

Originally Posted by oscaryu1

What are the "clearances" I should watch out for? (Bearing-wise wangan ) Thanks!

Also... would I need any other "goodies"? Performance oil pump, water pump, ect? Thanks alot guys, learned a ton load

The clearances you have to check for are in the service manual for the 3sfe. However since you are pretty much going to use a complete 3sgte bottom end you may need the specs from the service manual from that engine. Google "3sfe factory service manual" or "3sgte factory service manual" and you shuld be able to come accross it online. If those don't work then search for a "celica factory service manual" as it should contain both of those engines. If you want performance items now would be the best time to add them in.

[CrawlingEye]

If you're expecting to get the same compression as your current, be very cautious of the size of the pistons you pull from the 3sge. If you plan to use 3sge pistons, that is.

Certain things can be achieved with a FE head, certain things can not. You can have valve jobs done as well as a good port job which make up for a good portion of the deficiencies. One of the unfortunate things that you can not correct is the function of the cams. It is not a true DOHC, as one cam runs off of the other. It makes timing adjustments and tuning very difficult (as well as damn near impossible).