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Old 02-09-2004, 02:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dances with headlights

Hey, y'all. First post (well, aside from the required „Me mine mods” post!) here.

Last year, my '92 Camry's headlights started seeming dimmer and dimmer to me, especially on the driver's side. I tried changing the bulbs, without any improvement. Polished the lens fronts carefully with „clear-coat safe” car polish, and that removed the yellow cloudy crud from the lenses, but they were still dimmer than I remembered from when they were new. When the left light started not coming on every time I would turn on the lights, I knew I wasn't crazy!

Spent some time dinking around with a voltmeter and everything seemed to be OK, I was seeing battery voltage (more or less) at the headlight socket regardless of whether the bulb would light or not, so I was like, „Huh?”. Didn't know about this forum then, so I was pretty much on my own. I knew the bulbs were fine, because any bulb would work consistently (but dimly) on the passenger side, but any bulb would only sometimes work (and dimly) on the driver's side. H'mmm.

Spent some time digging through wiring diagrams and mousing around on the web, found a page about headlight relays (it's on a commercial site, so I don't know if I'm allowed to post it, but I'll try it, and if this post gets nuked, well, I guess the answer is „No!”!) The page is here: Headlight relays Long story short, we exchanged emails, and he had me measure the „segmentary volt drop” in my headlight circuit as described on the relay page. I came up with a total volt drop of 1.2V on the passenger side and 2.5(!) on the driver's side. Sent the results to the relay guy, he told me there was something wrong with my driver's side headlight wiring (Uhh...yeah...).

I ended up buying a relay parts package off him, spent a Saturday putting it in. I used the passenger side existing circuit to trigger the relays, just completely abandoned the flaky driver's side wires entirely. I didn't buy any bulbs at the time, because by this time I had four assumed-good bulbs and I wanted to see if the relays would make a difference.

Um...like...wow. Um...like...YES! Not only do both low and both high beam lights now come on whenever I ask them to, but they are WAY brighter and whiter than I can ever remember them being. And that was with just regular bulbs, not the "extra white" or "vision blue" kind. Before, the lights put out a brownish or yellowish light...now the lights are WHITE.

Only by now I was headlight-crazed. I sucked up all the info on the site where the relay page is, and went looking for more. (MORE INPUT! NUMBER FIVE WANT MORE INPUT!) I found this
page about new 9011 and 9012 bulbs , and was intrigued (OK, I admit it, any time I run into one of the maybe three people in the world who use „German-style quote marks like I do” I get intrigued) and sent out for some of the bulbs. They're expensive, but I've seen bulbs advertised for more money, so I figured what the he\\.

They arrived last Friday, so I drove around with them all weekend.

Oh. My. GOD! These things RAWK! They don't have a blue coating on them, but they're even whiter and WAY brighter than the regular bulbs. No blue...just a shload of bright white light. I was a little worried about using them in the Camry's headlights because the article says they put out too much light to be used in reflector headlights, but (a) the Camry's low beam lights seem to have good control of upward wash light, and there's an internal bulb surround ring that evidently helps out here, and (b) I figured if there was too much glare or backscatter, I could just use 'em in my SC400, which does have projector beams.

Did I say I drove around with these bulbs in the Camry all weekend? That's not quite true. I also tried swapping 'em into the Lexus. Took me all of 30 seconds to decide to order another set so I can have them in both cars.

The Lexus seems to handle the light a little better because there's a sharp cut line in the low beam pattern, bright light below the sharp line and dark above it. But as I suspected, the Camry lights do just fine with it even without the sharp cut line in the beam. I would NOT want to use these bulbs in my brother in law's '03 Camry, I don't think. I've driven in front of him and even though his lights are correctly aimed, they are uncomfortably bright even with the regular bulbs.

God, I love it when I find stuff that works...now if only I could quit being a cheapskate on my tunes and spring for a new stereo for the Camry...it makes every song sound just like a helicopter!

GR...*blink*...GONE...
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Old 02-09-2004, 03:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i bet my HID's are brighter

lol.....thats cool though...glad there are some smart people in the world
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Old 02-09-2004, 03:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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sounds way too complicated for me to do....but seems like it would work
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Old 02-09-2004, 03:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Got any pics to show us? I'm curious as to how exactly this works.
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Pics of the bulbs? Or of the relays? There's diagrams on the relay site, and pics on the bulb site, but my digital camera won't place nicely with my new 'puter so I can't show you pics of my own install yet.
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Old 02-09-2004, 03:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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[B]i bet my HID's are brighter
I bet they're brighter, too, but if you just got the „HID kit” that goes in place of the halogen bulbs, and not a projector retrofit like from hidtech.com, I'll also bet my beam pattern is better. Take a look at this

I'll also bet I spent less money...!

Cool car (yours) though...

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sounds like good info for those who want more light for cheap
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Cool bones dude. Glad it all worked out for ya, thanks for sharing the info with us!
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Old 02-09-2004, 08:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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good info! so what bulbs are you running? should be 9005 and 9006
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Running 9012 instead of 9006 in the low beam and 9011 instead of 9005 in the high beam on both my Camry and my SC. See linked article in my first post.

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gotcha, that's a pretty good find!

have you had a chance to drive in bad conditions with it? if not, keep us updated on how much light is reflected back
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Hoyah, we had blowing ice crystals (I'm sure you know the kind, living in the Sault!) on Saturday. Low beams worked fine, backscatter didn't seem appreciably worse than before, but I could definitely see better.

The new high beams are...

...well...

Mr Worf! Fire photon torpedoes!

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where did you order these bulbs from?

edit: speaking with the prime minister is seems this conversation has gone on before

http://www.toyotanation.com/showthre...threadid=16405
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Got mnie from Candlepower Inc. Turns out Dave Stern who wrote up the relay mod (ref my first post in thread) works there. Seems like every which way I turn in automotive lighting, Stern's name pops up. It's weird, but he seems to know his shi...uh...his stuff.

I read that thread you pointed to and remembered checking out those Polar G bulbs along the way. Didn't buy them because they were way longer than the 9005, 9006 bulbs and looked fragile.

FWIW, the Candlepower ones are Toshiba, made in Japan.
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Originally posted by Wheelsonfire
I bet they're brighter, too, but if you just got the „HID kit” that goes in place of the halogen bulbs, and not a projector retrofit like from hidtech.com, I'll also bet my beam pattern is better. Take a look at this

I'll also bet I spent less money...!

Cool car (yours) though...

GR...*blink*...GONE...
Haha, too much yapping here...

How's this...
I bet my HID's are brighter
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