My 3S-FTE is alive. ;)

[88 LE]

Just wanted to let everyone know that my secret project (turbo) is done. :wink:

The entire project took 3 long days cos I ran into some problems with the piping, oil lines, wastegate actuator on the turbo, and the BOV.

Piping - What a bit*h, especially the downpipe. Damn line for the a/c compressor is in the way.

I also planned on reusing my CAI for the turbo but, the piping would have to make a real sharp turn towards the turbo and it would be real close to the distributor cap. So I ended up taking out the CAI and used the stock intake pipe (thank god I kept it).

Oil lines - I had to make one of the lines twice cos the line is not flexible enough. So I had to take it apart and make a longer one. Damn stainless steel braided lines and Earl's fittings are a bit*h to work with.

Wastegate actuator - Had to unbolt it, move it, and modify the rod cos the damn thing would hit the bell housing to the tranny.

BOV - Theres nothing wrong with the BOV itself. Its that piece of sh*t AFM that Toyota put in. The car stumbles a little bit when the BOV goes off cos its blowing off air that has already been metered by the AFM and fuel has been added but, since the air is blown off the engine runs rich for a split sec and stumbles.

I played around with the adjustment on the BOV but, I don't want to tighten it down to much and get compressor surge but, if its to loose it'll stumble even worse.

God I hate that damn f'in AFM. Might have to scrap it and get a HKS VPC.

Well i'm done bit*hing about the problems. I'm just glad that everything is done and the car runs after being down for a few days.

I'll post up some pictures this weekend after I buy a digital camera. :grin:


Thanks and props go out to:

My homie Steve with the supercharged Stang. Hes the one that gave me the idea of turbocharging my Camry and I made it happen. Also gave me a Vortech FMU.

Joe (karma) for finishing up the polishing of the compressor housing on the turbo.

American Street Rod in Rancho Cordova, CA for the Earl's lines and fittings.

Midnight Performance in Rancho Cordova, CA for the T3 turbine discharge flange, oil drain adapter, and Turbonetics MBC.

Home Depot for brass fittings, hose clamps, rubber hose couplers, and steel rod.

Vortech for their awesome customer support.

Summit Racing for their great service, prices, and fast shipping.


By the way I have a K&N filter for sale. I had it on my CAI for 3 months but, I can't use it anymore cos it won't fit over the AFM adapter so I have no use for it. Its 3" in diameter and 6" long with a 2.5" inlet. I paid $35 for it from Summit Racing and i'll let it go for $15 plus shipping (probably $5 or so). I have the original box and plastic bag that it came in. If anyone wants it let me know.

[SpectraBlueCam]

Wow!! 3SFTE!! Way to go!!

Can't wait to see the pics!

[speedemn]

Good job man. Are you gonna have dyno numbers soon?

[EKam]

Where are the pics? Dyno? Video???

:grin:

Nice job.......!!!

[88 LE]

On 2002-03-26 13:22, speedemn wrote:
Good job man. Are you gonna have dyno numbers soon?

I thought about getting it dynoed but, the only real reason I wanna do that is so I can find out where my A/F ratio is. I don't really care about what kinda numbers its putting out cos I know that its definitely faster then what it was.

So I'll probably forget about the dyno and buy the DIY wideband 02 sensor kit from that Australian site and get an idea of what the A/F ratio is at. Plus it'll be a neat toy and tool to have. :wink:

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[88 LE]

On 2002-03-26 15:55, elegantcam wrote:
Where are the pics? Dyno? Video???

I'll have pics up by this weekend or maybe even later on today if I can get ahold of my buddie and use his digital camera.

Dyno - Read my post above. :smile:

Video - I'll have to see about using my buddies camcorder.

[Jzs147-RR]

Cant wait to see some pics and get your feedback on the drivability of the custum job.

[88 LE]

On 2002-03-27 09:03, CamryRR wrote:
Cant wait to see some pics

Pics will be up soon. I'm buying a digital camera on Friday when I get paid. :grin:

and get your feedback on the drivability of the custum job.

It should be very streetable. I haven't had a chance to drive it yet cos of work and I only have a downpipe on it for now, so its loud. Loud enough that the cops will bug me about it.

I started it up a few times and revved it in my garage though. The sound from the Blitz bov and the turbo spooling up/down is just awesome. :grin:

The turbo is a little Garrett/AiResearch T3 (see pic below). It has a 40 trim compressor and .42 A/R on the compressor housing. The turbine side is standard trim (for a T3) and has a .48 A/R.

It spools at around 2,500 rpm so its nice and streetable for those stop light encounters against those damn HonDuh ricers that think their all badass with their AlCheeza lights and bumblebee sounding fart pipes. :wink:

By the way Joe (karma) and I did a custom turbo on his 94 Camry w/5S-FE. Hes using a Toyota CT-26 turbo from a MKIII Supra Turbo. It spools around 3,000 rpm and you definitely feel the power when the turbo spools and kicks in but, the power comes on smooth and increases as the rpms go towards redline.

His engine is taken apart for now (the rings are bad) but, he has another 5S-FE from a MR2 and we have plans for that. So stay tuned and look out for a 500hp 5S-FTE Camry tearing up the streets of Sacramento, CA. :grin:

Oops... I almost forgot. The rest of the pics of the turbo are here --&gt; http://members.gotnet.net/trd/turbo/1.jpg

Just change the 1.jpg to 2.jpg and so on. Theres 12 pics total so it goes up to 12.jpg. I'll have pics of the completed project in a few days so stay tuned.







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[HIP2HOP]

yo man... your kamuri i gonna fly... it gonna B sweet

hey...how much did it cost u to put that engine in... cuz im thinkin of doin and engine conversion for my 90' Camry

[bondobondo]

you have to take your bov and run the air that is shot out of it and route it before the AFM so it goes back through the afm.
but you are running some nice bov that doesn't allow that.

worse comes to worse get a talon bov and just run the hose back thru before the afm.

now it sounds cool cuz it is venting into athmoshpere but as you said all of a sudden the afm doesn't know what to do cuz pressure is suddenly lost.

wait do you have the afm before the turbo? or inline with the charge pipes before the throttle body?

[bondobondo]

btw was boost is the actuator set at?

and what did you do to compensate for the boost? injectors? RRFPR? fuel pump?

[88 LE]

On 2002-03-27 12:40, HIP2HOP wrote:
hey...how much did it cost u to put that engine in...

I didn't do an engine swap, I just turbocharged the engine (3S-FE) that was already in there.

So now its a 3S-FTE. The &quot;T&quot; stands for turbocharged. :wink:

I've never really added up the cost of all the parts so i'll do it right now since you asked.

Turbo - $50 from a junkyard. I pulled it out of a 87 Saab 900 Turbo. It works fine, no shaft play, spins fine, and no oil leaks.

Turbo manifold - $75 from TAP Recycling. Its from a 91 MR2 Turbo. I live about 20 - 25 mins. away from them so I just picked it up.

BOV (blow off valve) - $163 ($138 + $25 shipping (came from Japan)) off of eBay. Its a Blitz Super Sound BOV (the older one with the big horn).

Earls fittings and stainless steel braided lines - About $175. I bought various fittings and lines for the oil feed, oil drain, and FMU.

Vortech FMU - My homie Steve had one that hes not using so he gave it to me for free. Their $140.55 from Vortech.

FMU recalibration kit - $52.53 from Vortech.

MSD 6A, MSD 8910 EIS tach adapter, MSD Blaster SS Coil, and MSD Super Conductor 8.5mm Coil Wire - About $240 from Summit Racing.

Autometer ATM-4301 Boost Guage - $53 from Tognotti's Auto World (big performance autoparts store here in town).

Exhaust flange and bung for 02 sensor - $10 from Muffler Tech.

Turbonetics manual boost controller, T3 turbine discharge weld flange, T3 oil drain adapter - $120 from Midnight Performance.

Various 2.5&quot; OD mandrel bent pipes and ThermoTec header wrap - About $70 from Tognotti's Auto World.

Distributor cap + wire set, rotor, and 4 spark plugs - About $85 from a Toyota dealership.

Various brass fittings, steel rod, bolts, nuts, washers, hose clamps, and rubber hose couplers - About $30 from Home Depot.

Red high temp silicone, Bosch universal single wire 02 sensor, and 2 cans of high temp Dupli-Color engine paint - About $40.

I think thats about it for the parts. Theres alot of stuff so I might have forgot something.

The total comes to about $1200. That sounds about right. :smile:

I did all the work myself. I had to fabricate the pipes (make and weld) and make an adapter to go from the CT-26 style flange on the turbo manifold to a T3 style flange on the turbo. The good thing is that I saved a hell of alot of money by doing everything myself instead of paying a shop.

cuz im thinkin of doin and engine conversion for my 90' Camry

Be prepared to spend alot of money and time.

If your doing a 3S-GTE engine swap a complete US spec 3S-GTE with tranny will run you around $1200. JDM 3S-GTE's cost alot more. This is just the engine itself.

By the time your done with everything it'll be about $3500 - $4000.

If you want to build that 3S-GTE be prepared to spend atleast $10,000 for everything.

All the prices I listed are in USD.

[88 LE]

On 2002-03-27 12:48, trueno92 wrote:
you have to take your bov and run the air that is shot out of it and route it before the AFM so it goes back through the afm.
but you are running some nice bov that doesn't allow that.

I know that I can do this but, that defeats the purpose of having a nice Blitz bov.

I want it to blow off so that I can hear that nice loud psshhhh sound. :grin:

Anyways I played around with the adjustment screw on the bov and the stumbling is not noticeable anymore. I don't think it'll be a problem even if it does stumble cos the torque converter will keep the engine stalled up when i'm in drive. It'll just run rich for a split sec after the bov blows off.
So its not really a big deal.

worse comes to worse get a talon bov and just run the hose back thru before the afm.

Nah. I like my Blitz bov. :wink:

now it sounds cool cuz it is venting into athmoshpere but as you said all of a sudden the afm doesn't know what to do cuz pressure is suddenly lost.

Yup.

wait do you have the afm before the turbo? or inline with the charge pipes before the throttle body?

Its before the turbo, connected to the compressor inlet. So it operates as a draw / pull through AFM (just like stock).

There is no way in the hell i'm gonna even attempt connecting the AFM to operate in push through mode cos I know what'll happen. It'll trip out with all that air being rammed into it by the turbo.

The AFM is designed and calibrated to run in draw / pull through mode.

[88 LE]

On 2002-03-27 12:51, trueno92 wrote:
btw was boost is the actuator set at?

Its set at 4psi but, I had to unbolt, move, and modify the rod for the WGA (wastegate actuator) cos it would hit the bell housing to the tranny.

I really have no idea what the hell its set at now since I had to modify it but, I tried to get the preload on it the same as it was before I messed with it.

I have a Turbonetics manual boost controller though, so as long as its running lower then the 6 - 7 psi that I want to run at I can use the MBC to raise the boost a little bit.

and what did you do to compensate for the boost? injectors? RRFPR? fuel pump?

Vortech FMU calibrated to run at 10:1 ratio.

My buddie did some match and we came to the conclusion that I need about a 9:1 ratio but, the closest to that is 8:1 or 10:1 so i'm running 10:1 to keep it on the rich side and I can always change out the disc to a 8:1 if its running to rich.

[bondobondo]

ouch, you change your fuel pump at all?

you think all that pressure in the fuel line is a good thing?

how does power come on? smooth? and i guess you can't tell if you are running lean or not, but have you considered an A?F meter?

emissions?

and also
what manifold did you use?