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Old 03-25-2004, 07:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Lug Nut Problem HELP

I just installed the Lexus IS300 rims on my 1997 Camry. The rims are 50 offset and the Camry is 40 offset so the tire shop put on wheel spacers. Everything was looking sweet but when I drove my car, it pulled to the right and shook at 65 mph and on. Took it to the mechanic and he told me that the lug nuts are not long enough, which are the OEM Lexus Lug Nuts. The shank, or collar is not getting deep enough onto the stud and only 4-5 threads are on so the rim, spacer, and drum are not secured tightly with each other. First of all, is this possible? Anyway, I went to a couple of rim shops and they all told me that there is no lug nuts with a longer shank and told me to just take them off an buy new rims. When I bought these rim, I did research and everyone said that IS300 rims did fit on a 97 Camry. I'm going back to the guy that put on my rims later and maybe there will be a better solution but if anyone could help me out, that would be great.
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Old 03-25-2004, 07:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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well the shank that you're referring to is called studs. And why don't you stick to your toyota camry lug nuts? just because you changed rims, you shouldn't change your lug nuts unless you HAVE TO. Umm as for the longer studs, i remember seeing a thread here, not to long ago. why don't you search. There's a lot of useful info here thas being neglected.
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Old 03-25-2004, 12:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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IM sure you can get a longer stud for your camry. just look around!

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Old 03-25-2004, 02:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the lexus lug nuts are the same as toyotas so thats not the problem. Longer studs would be nice but if your getting five full threads you're ok. The shaking is the balance, there are a couple of ways to balance wheels and sometimes the guy balanceing them is lazy and just does a quick static balance which doesnt really do the job. The best way to get a perfect balance is to have the wheels and tires road forced mounted and do a dynamic balance which puts wheel weight on the inside edge(right behind the spokes and the outside edge. Most americas tire company shops have road force balancing. they do charge extra for it. As for the pull it can be a couple of things. If it didnt pull before with different wheels then your caster on your alignment should be ok. It can possibly be low air pressure on one side causing it to pull that way. or you could have whats called a radial pull in which case you're going to need to dismount the tire from the wheel and put it on the opposite side of the car(assuming you have directional tires) if you dont have directional tires try swapping the left wheel with the right wheel. If the tire has toe wear(inside or outside of tire worn out) then that as well can cause a pull. First thing i would do is check the air pressure.

Oh yeah, what kind of spacers did they use? if they're not hub-centric spacers then i would definitly get longer studs since you're now putting the weight on the lugnuts and not the hub. But to get an accurate balance and support the wheel the way it was designed your're going to need hub centric spacers.

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Re: Lug Nut Problem HELP

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When I bought these rim, I did research and everyone said that IS300 rims did fit on a 97 Camry.
Yes, they fit, but you need proper spacers and wheel studs... (I hope that's what people were saying!) Go to a good shop and get it taken care of. Don't drive around on the wheels the way they are - put your stockers back on until its safe.

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Here's my take on it. I also have IS300 wheels on my Camry LE ('00) which is essentially what you have. I agree - they look and handle great compared to stock.

I had to put 5 mm spacer in the back. I also changed my rear studs (the bolts that stick-out of the wheel hubs) with longer ones. In the back you can use OEM studs made for the front, which are about 5mm longer - enough to compensate for the 5 mm spacer. I bought the $60 H&R spacers, and they already come with new longer studs, but I did not use them - they were too long for the back and I did not need them in the front....

The other thing I noticed is that the wheels are no longer hub-centric once you put spacers. If you losen the lug nuts with the car off the ground (on a jack stand), you will see that you can mount the wheel off-center by as much as 2 mm. This is very noticeable at speed. Don't belive if someone tells you that the lug nuts center the wheel - they don't and I've seen it first hand.

My car does not pull to the side, but I had very good alignment done. Try the same in a good shop.

My fronts do not have specers and my driver's wheel slightly rubs the inside towards the engine compartment at extreme left turns - it rubbed-off the sound deadening coating there (I guess the sheetmetal was not welded where it was supposed to and sticks-out a bit too much).

My advice, lift the car, rotate each of the back wheels and see if they look off-center. If it does, losen the lug nuts just enough that you can slide it about by gently tapping it and try to center it. By doing this a few times I was able to get almost perfect centering. Tighten the nuts carefully in a "star" pattern to maintain the centered position. The vibrations in my case were greatly minimized. For instance, before I did this, my passenger seat vibrated badly b/w 50-75 mph. I got tired of this and one day, as I was driving a 200 mile stretch decided to fix it - stopped 2-3 times to repeat the above procedure; after this "centering" the seat does not vibrate any more.

I did this after balancing the wheels a few times with stick-on weights and road-force machine and getting no good results at all, even with brand-new tires.

Also, try to use a torque wrench and don't go over 80 lb/ft. And I would not advise you to drive on only 4-5 threads, especially with the spacers (the rims no longer sit on the hub center, but hang only on the studs).

You were right to use lug nuts for alloy style Toyota/Lexus wheels, because the nuts for steel style wheels do not fit the Lexus/Toyota alloy wheels. This is what I have on mine and with the longer studs they fit just fine.

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I just installed the Lexus IS300 rims on my 1997 Camry. The rims are 50 offset and the Camry is 40 offset so the tire shop put on wheel spacers. Everything was looking sweet but when I drove my car, it pulled to the right and shook at 65 mph and on. Took it to the mechanic and he told me that the lug nuts are not long enough, which are the OEM Lexus Lug Nuts. The shank, or collar is not getting deep enough onto the stud and only 4-5 threads are on so the rim, spacer, and drum are not secured tightly with each other. First of all, is this possible? Anyway, I went to a couple of rim shops and they all told me that there is no lug nuts with a longer shank and told me to just take them off an buy new rims. When I bought these rim, I did research and everyone said that IS300 rims did fit on a 97 Camry. I'm going back to the guy that put on my rims later and maybe there will be a better solution but if anyone could help me out, that would be great.

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P.S.

Here is the place that did a good job with my alignment (and recommended to me by a fellow TN member, Jon)

"Hey,
My alignment/wheel balancing guy is up here in Reisterstown Maryland.
His
name is Henry at Goodyear Auto Service Center and can be reached at
(410)833-2442. Doing an alignment and wheel balance once a year
correctly is
worth the drive. My Toyota mechanic is Ken Flannigen at Russel Toyota.
My
service advisor is Sue Downey. If you need any major work done, go to
Russel, speak with Sue and tell her I recommended Ken. Any other
questions?
Jon."

Here is the exact address (as of about a year ago - the alignment is still on track about 20K miles later and my tires show no abnormal wear)

Goodyear Auto Service Center
11906 REISTERSTOWN ROAD
REISTERSTOWN, MD 21136
(410) 833-2442
Fax: (410) 833-3938
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btw, the lugs on my '93 ES300 are longer than those my local toyota dealer has stocked for any camry.
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btw, the lugs on my '93 ES300 are longer than those my local toyota dealer has stocked for any camry.
Good info, especially if they fit Camrys, which I expect they do!
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dont feel bad, i had my car in the shop that i work at. Some asshole put my lug nuts on one of my studs, and crossthreaded it. i went to put new pads on it, and thought i needed a breaker bar, so i got it moving, and snap! the damn stud broke.... now i have only 4 lugs on one of my wheels
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