Grinding noise on cold start up - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums


» Auto Insurance
» Featured Product
» Wheel & Tire Center

Go Back   Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums > Toyota Passenger and Sports Car Forums > Camry and Solara Forum > Camry & Solara Lounge

Camry & Solara Lounge Discussion area for every generation of Toyota's family car, the Toyota Camry. Lexus ES250/300 owners welcome! Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance and more.

ToyotaNation.com is the premier Toyota Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-22-2004, 05:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
Grinding noise on cold start up

1997 Camry 104k miles

(Only) Timing Belt done at 62k.

When I start the car on a cold engine I hear a grinding type noise that comes from the passenger side. It goes away once the car is warmed up however. After that the car is quiet as a mouse.

My guess is waterpump, or idler pulley? Maybe?

Why would it make this noise only on a cold engine though?

If the waterpump bearing is going south doesn't it grind non-stop regardless of engine temp?

Anyway, fill me in and tell me what you think.

Thanks
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-24-2004, 04:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
TTT

Anybody?
__________________
1997 Toyota 204k miles. Runs like a champ.
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2004, 04:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
Auto-Cross Addict
 
SmokingTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 3,837
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View SmokingTires's Photo Gallery
Waterpumps leak, they don't grind. So your safe there. You safe it is continuous until the car is warm? Or just when you turn it over?

It maye be your starter. It may not disengage fully. That may be the cause of your grinding noise. I would need more detail, or to hear it inorder to really tell you more.
__________________
'88 Toyota MR2 N/A - Sold
'99 Miata Sport - Sold
'85 Corolla GT-S - Sold
'02 MR2 Spyder - C-Stock car
SmokingTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2004, 04:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
Quote:
Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6
Waterpumps leak, they don't grind. So your safe there. You safe it is continuous until the car is warm? Or just when you turn it over?

It maye be your starter. It may not disengage fully. That may be the cause of your grinding noise. I would need more detail, or to hear it inorder to really tell you more.
Yea, once the car is warmed up it goes away. I thought bearings could go bad in h20 pumps and cause grinding?
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2004, 03:10 AM   #5 (permalink)
Auto-Cross Addict
 
SmokingTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 3,837
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View SmokingTires's Photo Gallery
Do you have any way you could record the sound? It's really hard to tell without hearing it. Or could you describe it more?

If it was the water pump, it would continue even after warm. The pump is belt driven, so it is always turning. So it won't be that.

It may be your oil pump. It could be banged up. And once the engine warms up, it become properly lubed.

But without hearing it, I really can't make a better guess at it. I can't think of anything that would make that noise only on warm up.
__________________
'88 Toyota MR2 N/A - Sold
'99 Miata Sport - Sold
'85 Corolla GT-S - Sold
'02 MR2 Spyder - C-Stock car
SmokingTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2004, 01:58 AM   #6 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
No, I wish I could record it. I don't have anything for that.

Maybe an idler pulley?

When the idle is high is when it is worst, once it warms up it's all gone. I hate the sound, but the car drives perfect otherwise.
__________________
1997 Toyota 204k miles. Runs like a champ.
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2004, 03:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
Auto-Cross Addict
 
SmokingTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 3,837
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View SmokingTires's Photo Gallery
Try this: Let your car warm up to the point where the noise stops. Put the E-brake on and pop the car into "Neutral" Give the car some gas, get it up around 4,500RPM or 5,000RPM (don't leave it there for more than a few seconds). See if it makes the noise then.
__________________
'88 Toyota MR2 N/A - Sold
'99 Miata Sport - Sold
'85 Corolla GT-S - Sold
'02 MR2 Spyder - C-Stock car
SmokingTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2004, 04:49 AM   #8 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
Good idea, I will try tomorrow.
__________________
1997 Toyota 204k miles. Runs like a champ.
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2004, 07:29 AM   #9 (permalink)
One with the force
 
amerikim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View amerikim's Photo Gallery
Quote:
Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6
Waterpumps leak, they don't grind.
On a Honda, I had mine start grinding getting louder fast and in minutes, it changed to a squeal. Then it got real quiet and temperature started climbing real fast. Pump seized and belt got eaten.
I happened to be on the way to a Honda dealer so lucked out.
__________________

old faithful
amerikim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2004, 04:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
I did it today and not unusual noise. Engine sounded tight at 4500 rpms.

What were you thinking about?
__________________
1997 Toyota 204k miles. Runs like a champ.
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 01:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
HID/Retrofit Expert
 
white3ch0c0late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 818
Posts: 4,305
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 7 reviews
View white3ch0c0late's Photo Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokingTires
Waterpumps leak, they don't grind. So your safe there. You safe it is continuous until the car is warm? Or just when you turn it over?

It maye be your starter. It may not disengage fully. That may be the cause of your grinding noise. I would need more detail, or to hear it inorder to really tell you more.
I know this is a thread revival... its old as hell... but I was reading it, and I had to ask you a question, Mike. Mine sounds like it grinds a little at cold start only right after turning over for maybe a second. You think it might be my starter not disengaging right away? And how do I fix that?
__________________
2009 Audi TT 2.0T --- THE BEAST!
2002 LE 4Cyl --- Gone, but not forgotten. 06/28/09

Glaring blue HID bulbs are NOT classy, and don't make your car look nice, no matter what that kid in the Civic told you.
white3ch0c0late is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 02:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: columbus,ohio
Posts: 145
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View steve97's Photo Gallery
I know that you are describing it as a grinding sound. But the more common source of sound from the area that you are describing is the timing belt hitting the plastic belt cover. Need to go back in and loosen, then push the idler pulley to tighten the belt as much as possible, then tighten the pulley again.Could this be the sound that you are describing?

Or is the grinding sound that you are saying is more metallic sounding?
steve97 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 02:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
HID/Retrofit Expert
 
white3ch0c0late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 818
Posts: 4,305
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 7 reviews
View white3ch0c0late's Photo Gallery
Well... the thing is, the 2AZ-FE engines in the Camry's all have timing chains, not belts. And yeah, it sounds slightly metallic to me... it sounds like metal-on-metal grinding.. and it only lasts for about a second. It actually sounds like that sound the engine makes when the engine is on, and you hit the starter again, causing the engine to stall. That sound... lol
__________________
2009 Audi TT 2.0T --- THE BEAST!
2002 LE 4Cyl --- Gone, but not forgotten. 06/28/09

Glaring blue HID bulbs are NOT classy, and don't make your car look nice, no matter what that kid in the Civic told you.
white3ch0c0late is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2005, 03:10 PM   #14 (permalink)
Official TN Member
 
slcpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Salt Lake City
Posts: 55
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
iTrader Score: 0 reviews
View slcpunk's Photo Gallery
Update: We changed the belt and water pump and it was certainly the waterpump making that sound. Nice and quiet now, thanks.
__________________
1997 Toyota 204k miles. Runs like a champ.
slcpunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums > Toyota Passenger and Sports Car Forums > Camry and Solara Forum > Camry & Solara Lounge

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:57 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
ToyotaNation.com is an independent Toyota/Lexus enthusiast website. ToyotaNation.com is not sponsored by or in any way affiliated with Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. The Toyota, Lexus and Scion names and logos are trademarks owned by Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc.