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Old 06-29-2004, 09:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New Toyota Camry Quality...

JD Power & Assoc., the most respected name in automotive ratings, rates the new Camry's quality in the category of 'does not really stand out.

More shockingly, the Hyundai Sonata (2004) is the highest quality car in the midsize class, by a HUGE margin.

Ratings (5-star system):

*New Toyota Camry*
Mechanical Quality-***
Feature & Acc. Quality-*****
Body and Interior Quality-***
Overall Quality-***
Performance-***
Comfort-***
Features & Instrument Panel-***
Style-**
Overall Appeal-***

*New Hyundai Sonata*
Mechanical Quality-*****
Feature & Acc. Quality-*****
Body and Interior Quality-*****
Overall Quality-*****
Performance-****
Comfort-*****
Features & Instrument Panel-****
Style-*****
Overall Appeal-*****

The Hyundai even matched the Camry in the retained value class.
For more info, http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/index.jsp#

I am just wondering from the 5th gen guys if you are having very many problems with your cars. I know Camry's are great cars, and I know that Hyundai has made a huge turnaround, but I didn't know that it was this huge.

I'm planning on buying another car as a daily driver, and while doing research I noticed that the Hyundai was the bast in class by a longshot, and I'm seriously considering it over the Camry and Accord. All opinions welcome, I think this could be a good discussion. Overall Toyota is still on top, but are they surviving on their reputation and about to be passed up by Hyundai?

[edit] I am also considering a scion as a daily driver just cause I want one soooo bad. [edit]

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Old 06-29-2004, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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scion TC... mmm sweetness, forget the review
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Old 06-29-2004, 09:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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you have to admit the gen5 camry isn't that nice to look at stock it doesn't have the same flavor as the gen 4 or 3
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Old 06-29-2004, 09:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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you have to admit the gen5 camry isn't that nice to look at stock it doesn't have the same flavor as the gen 4 or 3
I think it has the exact same flavor as the gen 3 and gen 4, Boring. All you guys need to except the fact that every Camry that has ever come out is a bland looking car.
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looks are all opinion.
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I'm not so worried about the looks as I am the Mechanical Quality. Camry's are classy cars, not overstyled, not ugly or completely bland. The design surely leaves you with a lot of customization options, and a good custom camry will look better than a good custom accord in my book. Just lacks the flair in stock form.
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I think it has the exact same flavor as the gen 3 and gen 4, Boring. All you guys need to except the fact that every Camry that has ever come out is a bland looking car.







do you see how much taller they got?
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Yeah, they did get taller but they are all still pretty bland.
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Yeah, they did get taller but they are all still pretty bland.
you don't deserve to have a camry

I think gen3 are awesome, good body styling, with few mods they look awesome.
Compare all 1992-1996 import cars, camry would stand out in its class.
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I had my '04 since late Sept. 03. 6100 miles, I haven't had one problem yet. The only thing is a cracked windshield that started from a rock chip. I've noticed there's less sound dampening materials used in the gen 5, campared to gen 3, so there's a bit more wind noise. But overall, I like the Camry and enjoy driving it. The front of the car IMO looks great, the rear from the sides could've used a little more work.

But in some of the other links that I saw the skirts and body kits for the gen 5, it looks awesome.

From my point of view, Camry's are just great cars all around, not oriented towards just looks (Mazda 6) or performance (Maxima). And I don't think Toyota's gotten worst in quality, just that others are starting to catch up, so Toyota would need to do something more other than riding on the bulletproof reliability reputation to capure more market share.
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The quality of Camrys has dropped dramaticly since the intro of the Gen4 in '97. Having had the past 4 generations of Camrys (Gen2-Gen5 inclusive) in our family, I'm much more aware of the corners that were cut to reduce costs.

My favorite Gens were the 3.5 and 4.5 by far. Heck, even the Gen2 was solid.

My dad is somewhat disappointed with his Gen5 when he compares it to the previous Gens. Materials are cheaper. There's seems to be less attention to detail. Little things that most ppl would just pass off were elimintated like pwr passenger seats. Paint quality is lower. If it wasn't their rock solid reliabilty record and brand loyalty, I'd prolly be a Nissan or Honda owner.
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My Father's Gen5, to me isn't as clean when it comes to "fit and finish"( build quality, fittings, qualitiy of materials, etc.) as my Gen3. The Gen5 is still a great car, but Toyota will need to step up to the Korean car makers in the next few years, or they will just get walked on.

P.S. They can start by getting rid of the Solara and bringing back the Camry Coupe.
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IMO I think the 92-94 Camry's are the best looking. I mean yea, it looks a little bland but its a damn good car. My Camry's quality greatly surpasses that of my 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5SE. My Camry rides much smoother with less wind and road noise and is a joy to drive. I honestly choose to drive my Camry on long distance's as opposed to driving my Altima. The interior of the Camry is so solid and comfortable with good materials from the dashboard to the seats. My aunt has a 99 LE-V6 5sp and just by sitting inside her car I can notice where Toyota cutback on stuff but its still a well put together car. But basically all automakers today are drastically cutting back on fit and finish quality. My friend has a 2002 Mercedes-Benz S430 and his leather is a joke comapared to the 93 Camry's leather. My Camry has just over 222,000 miles and neither looks or drives liek it. I love it !!
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I think it has the exact same flavor as the gen 3 and gen 4, Boring. All you guys need to except the fact that every Camry that has ever come out is a bland looking car.
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know the Camry was suppose to be Toyota's top sports model. I was under the impression that it was A FAMILY CAR!

Why would they need to make it flashy? They run forever, and come with the options people need. They aren't out to blow peoples minds.



As for the Sonata. It is considered a luxury sedan. It is not compariable with the Camry. However, it could be compared with the Avalon. The Camry equivelant would be the Elantra.
(And don't question what I said. I have an Elantra, Sonata, and a Camry)

And who cares what JD Power says? Get what you like. Not what someone else tells you is good. Don't be someone elses bitch.
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