Camry & Solara LoungeDiscussion area for every generation of Toyota's family car, the Toyota Camry. Lexus ES250/300 owners welcome! Topics of discussion range from fuel economy, safety, modifications, performance and more.
I bought my Camry with the straight 4 mostly because of the large difference in MPG. It's plenty strong, and very quiet, but I'm unsure of the power difference between this motor and the V6. My I-4 makes 151bhp after all the smog equipment added for CA (158 elsewhere). What kind of bhp, and torque numbers come with the V6?
Oh sorry, I sometimes add in extra letters. Typing over 130 words per/minutes and all And point out spelling errors is a really low personal attack.
Besides, the power ratings given by the company are never accurate. Notice how they are always at such perfect numbers? (ex:125, 220, 195). It's because companies round to look better. Most of them round up to look good. However some round down. If you look at a Mustang Cobra, it's rated at 390. But many have been dynoed straight off the show room floor at 425+ at the crank. They rate theirs lower so that the car doesn't move into a higher insurance bracket.
__________________
'88 Toyota MR2 N/A - Sold
'99 Miata Sport - Sold
'85 Corolla GT-S - Sold
'02 MR2 Spyder - C-Stock car
Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6 Besides, the power ratings given by the company are never accurate. Notice how they are always at such perfect numbers? (ex:125, 220, 195). It's because companies round to look better. Most of them round up to look good.
I'm not trying to start a fight here, but how exactly are you coming to these conclusions? "Never" accurate? "always" perfectly even numbers? "most" are rounded up? Geez, look at some Camry engines...
Most of these numbers here are not "even". And the only real way to say that the numbers are all "rounded up" is to pull 10 engines out of random cars and dyno them with the full exhaust setup on an engine "brake" dyno and see where the average falls. There's simply way too much variability on chassis dynos to ever make any conclusions about rounding.
I agree with you on the Cobra, though. Yes, it's very under-rated and there's a big enough difference showing up on chassis dynos with where it "should" dyno if it actually had 390 bhp vs where it really dynos that making that conclusion is a no brainer.
BTW, "brake horsepower" is power rated at the crank.
Oops, my mistake on the terminology. Sorry on that one. However I didn't state "most Toyota", I stated "most". Meaning overall cars. Some of Toyota's may be accurate, some may not. Hense why i didn't specify models or years. However lots of companies do round up. That's a given. Mazda got in trouble for it with the Miata and the RX-8.
However for the most part, a lot of the hp ratings you listed were either to a 10 or 5. The torque is all that was what was really off. but if you look at it, the average ignorant buyer doesn't look at torque
__________________
'88 Toyota MR2 N/A - Sold
'99 Miata Sport - Sold
'85 Corolla GT-S - Sold
'02 MR2 Spyder - C-Stock car
Well, Mazda pulled the hp figures, but atleast they left the posted times the same and the had a 100% buy back deal for anyone that didn't want the car.
It's lame they advertised for JDM emissions instead of CA emissions, but it's a pretty dignified to do that. (or atleast avoid big lawsuits hah!)
I like the Audi A4's. They use to seriosuly under rate that little turbo's hp.
__________________
"The lamest twice banned, non-female member of-all time." -Ekam, Thanks, I <3 you too! AIM/Yahoo Toysrme257th
for anything, anytime; including camry turbos Now with Turbo!
Originally posted by SmokingTiresV6 Oops, my mistake on the terminology. Sorry on that one. However I didn't state "most Toyota", I stated "most". Meaning overall cars. Some of Toyota's may be accurate, some may not. Hense why i didn't specify models or years. However lots of companies do round up. That's a given. Mazda got in trouble for it with the Miata and the RX-8.
err...okay. Well, I really don't feel like arguing. But I'll just say that collecting and analyzing chassis dyno data for all types of cars has been a sort of hobby of mine for a number of years and what you're saying is pretty much untrue. There are way way more examples of companies under-rating cars than over-rating, even on mundane cars like Honda Accords.
The "handful" of companies that have been nailed for legit over-rating on specific cars and specific model years over the years in no way whatsoever constitutes a trend where you could start saying "all" and that it's "a given". There's a running joke that German ponies are stronger than Japanese ponies. It's because the Germans are notorious for under-rating their power figures. They under-promise but over-deliver, and that's part of what makes German cars so exciting to drive - they give you a lot more than you expect.
Rumors spread like wildfire on the Internet, along with gross exaggerations and things that are flat out wrong, untrue, misleading, or not quite the whole truth. Information is often "massaged" by people for better or for worse to suit their personal biases or so that it appeals to their emotions better. And the next thing you know this becomes "common knowledge". For this reason, I encourage everybody to do their own research and to check things out for themselves from multiple sources before jumping to conclusions.
The AutoGuide.com network consists of the largest network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
AutoGuide.com provides the latest car reviews, auto show coverage, new car prices, and automotive news. The AutoGuide network operates more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share opinions as a community.
ToyotaNation.com is an independent Toyota/Lexus enthusiast website. ToyotaNation.com is not sponsored by or in any way affiliated with Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc. The Toyota, Lexus and Scion names and logos are trademarks owned by Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc.
V6 bhp??
There's a running joke that German ponies are stronger than Japanese ponies. It's because the Germans are notorious for under-rating their power figures. They under-promise but over-deliver, and that's part of what makes German cars so exciting to drive - they give you a lot more than you expect.
Linear Mode
